APS/SA boundary redrawing - meeting tonight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

They posted the FARMS rates in the school-level data doc. Drew's FARMS rate will go down from 85% to 83%. So they can brag about reducing one of the above-average FARMS rates schools. (Which, btw, is disingenuous because Drew's current FARMS rate is much *lower* due to the Montessori program being co-located. So one could easily look at this as blowing out Drew's FARMS levels by quite a lot.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

I am a little puzzled by this statement. My neighborhood (around the Walter Reed Community Center) certainly never seems to be favored by the county in any way, shape, or form - unless I’m missing something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

But moving that 1/2 of Alcova Heights to Fleet and redistricting those units South of Columbia Pike would have only made Fleet richer and whiter, right?

I'm not PP but who cares? Honestly, I am sick of crocodile tears over the lily whiteness of some of the northern schools. You buy into Yorktown or similar, you are obviously just not that concerned about diversity. That's fine. You do you, I'm no county-wide busing proponent. But if, working within the parameters APS has said are important like maximizing walkers and minimizing alignment disruption, you can make a proposal that would alleviate severe concentration of poverty within a historically challenged school and you choose not to do that? I can't understand it.

Specifically with regard to Fleet, I wouldn't really call it rich and white. It's still around 1/4 to 1/3 low income. That's a pretty decent balance from whichever way you're looking at the issue.

[Anonymous]

Alcova is was never moving to Fleet. I don’t know why ya’ll thought that.
Can we circle back to Randolph being 92% Farms...

That’s a misprint, right?
How has that school gone up 20%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

Drew and Randolph are now the poorest schools in the system, and were JUST MADE SO! There is nothing inevitable about these boundaries. People drew them, not god. It is some shameful sh&t to purposely create schools where all but 2 or 3 kids in a classroom are on food stamps. It is pure cowardice and negligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alcova is was never moving to Fleet. I don’t know why ya’ll thought that.
Can we circle back to Randolph being 92% Farms...

That’s a misprint, right?
How has that school gone up 20%?

It is hard to tell from this map, but it looks like they are giving Randolph 38050, which laughably appears to be well over 100% fr/l, and 38100 and 38110, which don't have fr/l specified because they're so small but look potentially to be pretty high. I don't know the area well though.

I think the "no change" % on the chart must be a typo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

Drew and Randolph are now the poorest schools in the system, and were JUST MADE SO! There is nothing inevitable about these boundaries. People drew them, not god. It is some shameful sh&t to purposely create schools where all but 2 or 3 kids in a classroom are on food stamps. It is pure cowardice and negligence.

+1000. There are always choices that can be made and ways to avoid this. It might involve compromising on other priorities (a few more busses needed, some weird boundaries for a school or two, etc.), but if it means not having one or two schools entirely low income, that seems like a worthwhile trade off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

Drew and Randolph are now the poorest schools in the system, and were JUST MADE SO! There is nothing inevitable about these boundaries. People drew them, not god. It is some shameful sh&t to purposely create schools where all but 2 or 3 kids in a classroom are on food stamps. It is pure cowardice and negligence.

I know plenty of Randolph families who are not on food stamps. The 92% rate is confusing to me. Is that surely accurate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

Drew and Randolph are now the poorest schools in the system, and were JUST MADE SO! There is nothing inevitable about these boundaries. People drew them, not god. It is some shameful sh&t to purposely create schools where all but 2 or 3 kids in a classroom are on food stamps. It is pure cowardice and negligence.

+1000. There are always choices that can be made and ways to avoid this. It might involve compromising on other priorities (a few more busses needed, some weird boundaries for a school or two, etc.), but if it means not having one or two schools entirely low income, that seems like a worthwhile trade off.

I genuinely hope that those of you upset by this situation will take the time to express concern in the survey, write to the staff and the board, show up at office hours, and do what you can to advocate for a more fair proposal. I plan to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

Without that neighborhood at Drew the farms rate will be over 80 percent, easily. That's why they didn't publish it in these documents. Itll be higher than carlin springs and they just don't care. Nauck wanted its own elementary and now APS is going to give it to them.

Drew and Randolph are now the poorest schools in the system, and were JUST MADE SO! There is nothing inevitable about these boundaries. People drew them, not god. It is some shameful sh&t to purposely create schools where all but 2 or 3 kids in a classroom are on food stamps. It is pure cowardice and negligence.

+1000. There are always choices that can be made and ways to avoid this. It might involve compromising on other priorities (a few more busses needed, some weird boundaries for a school or two, etc.), but if it means not having one or two schools entirely low income, that seems like a worthwhile trade off.

We now have 3 schools that are almost entirely low income. Randolph, carlin springs, and Drew. I'm so tired of fake SJW "liberals" who quietly lobby the school board to produce segregationist plans like this one. And the school board goes along. No wonder the longtime Nauck civic assn president endorsed vihstadt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alcova is was never moving to Fleet. I don’t know why ya’ll thought that.
Can we circle back to Randolph being 92% Farms...

That’s a misprint, right?
How has that school gone up 20%?

It is hard to tell from this map, but it looks like they are giving Randolph 38050, which laughably appears to be well over 100% fr/l, and 38100 and 38110, which don't have fr/l specified because they're so small but look potentially to be pretty high. I don't know the area well though.

I think the "no change" % on the chart must be a typo.

Sorry, how can a planning unit be “well over” 100% f/rl? I understand that some of these choices may not make sense, but the hyperbole isn’t helping to create civil discourse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alcova is was never moving to Fleet. I don’t know why ya’ll thought that.
Can we circle back to Randolph being 92% Farms...

That’s a misprint, right?
How has that school gone up 20%?

It is hard to tell from this map, but it looks like they are giving Randolph 38050, which laughably appears to be well over 100% fr/l, and 38100 and 38110, which don't have fr/l specified because they're so small but look potentially to be pretty high. I don't know the area well though.

I think the "no change" % on the chart must be a typo.

Sorry, how can a planning unit be “well over” 100% f/rl? I understand that some of these choices may not make sense, but the hyperbole isn’t helping to create civil discourse.

That was sort of a joke but not a joke. The data we have to work with are 2019 projected # of students and 2017 actual # of fr/l students. For PU 38050, they project 21 students in 2019 but in 2017, there were 31 fr/l students from that unit. Thus, over 100%.

This dovetails nicely with APS's tendency to underestimate how many students the CAFs will yield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alcova is was never moving to Fleet. I don’t know why ya’ll thought that.
Can we circle back to Randolph being 92% Farms...

That’s a misprint, right?
How has that school gone up 20%?

It is hard to tell from this map, but it looks like they are giving Randolph 38050, which laughably appears to be well over 100% fr/l, and 38100 and 38110, which don't have fr/l specified because they're so small but look potentially to be pretty high. I don't know the area well though.

I think the "no change" % on the chart must be a typo.

Sorry, how can a planning unit be “well over” 100% f/rl? I understand that some of these choices may not make sense, but the hyperbole isn’t helping to create civil discourse.

Aps is not good at math. In their materials, they show counts of total students per PU and counts for Farms. Sometimes there are numerically more of the latter. Not sure why, but it's not hyperbole, it's their own stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, in addition to maintaining Drew at over 80% fr/l, this proposal has Drew as the lone elementary that will send to 3 middle schools.

Abingdon will also still be split up to 3 middle schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, in addition to maintaining Drew at over 80% fr/l, this proposal has Drew as the lone elementary that will send to 3 middle schools.

Abingdon will also still be split up to 3 middle schools.

Oops, right you are.