APS/SA boundary redrawing - meeting tonight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is calling for a handful of white kids from Jamestown to be bussed to Drew, so spare us that straw man and your constant whining about liberals. Your willingness to live among people you clearly detest ("leftists") seems oddly apropos to this discussion. Seems like for all our faults, us liberals have managed to create a spot on earth that you choose to live and obviously benefit from, else you'd have moved away by now. Clearly you have choices. Now, could it be that some not so advantaged kids might have something to offer well off kids, despite what you say? Hmm, maybe so.

Meh... What constant whining about liberals? That was only my second post in this thread.
The same argument could be made about higher SES kids in South Arlington not being allowed to go to their neighborhood school and being bused to Drew for their own "benefit."

I moved to Arlington for the commute. If I went to anywhere else as near in to my job as Arlington, I would still be surrounded by you hopeless leftists. Arlington derives its wealth from its proximity to the government and its various hangers-on. It is not leftists that created this spot on earth. However, leftists are certainly doing a good job of pissing away Arlington's wealth and making it a less pleasant place to live.

I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are all in high school. The reason I comment is that I see these ridiculous arguments where people want to use other kids to benefit their own kids. Furthermore, they claim that this will not only benefit the lower SES kids, but also the higher SES kids against what the parents of the higher SES kids clearly think. This is obviously a fascistic argument. Why can't you let people honestly state their preferences (and the rationale behind these preferences) without calling them racists? You leftists clearly don't realize that it is, in fact, you that are the source of all sorts of fascist social engineering where you don't take into account the preferences of those who might disagree with you.

How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

[Anonymous]

^Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is calling for a handful of white kids from Jamestown to be bussed to Drew, so spare us that straw man and your constant whining about liberals. Your willingness to live among people you clearly detest ("leftists") seems oddly apropos to this discussion. Seems like for all our faults, us liberals have managed to create a spot on earth that you choose to live and obviously benefit from, else you'd have moved away by now. Clearly you have choices. Now, could it be that some not so advantaged kids might have something to offer well off kids, despite what you say? Hmm, maybe so.

Meh... What constant whining about liberals? That was only my second post in this thread.
The same argument could be made about higher SES kids in South Arlington not being allowed to go to their neighborhood school and being bused to Drew for their own "benefit."

I moved to Arlington for the commute. If I went to anywhere else as near in to my job as Arlington, I would still be surrounded by you hopeless leftists. Arlington derives its wealth from its proximity to the government and its various hangers-on. It is not leftists that created this spot on earth. However, leftists are certainly doing a good job of pissing away Arlington's wealth and making it a less pleasant place to live.

I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are all in high school. The reason I comment is that I see these ridiculous arguments where people want to use other kids to benefit their own kids. Furthermore, they claim that this will not only benefit the lower SES kids, but also the higher SES kids against what the parents of the higher SES kids clearly think. This is obviously a fascistic argument. Why can't you let people honestly state their preferences (and the rationale behind these preferences) without calling them racists? You leftists clearly don't realize that it is, in fact, you that are the source of all sorts of fascist social engineering where you don't take into account the preferences of those who might disagree with you.

How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

^ You must be the parent quoted in ARL Now that is fired up, yet sends their kids to Montesorri and has no dog in this fight either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is calling for a handful of white kids from Jamestown to be bussed to Drew, so spare us that straw man and your constant whining about liberals. Your willingness to live among people you clearly detest ("leftists") seems oddly apropos to this discussion. Seems like for all our faults, us liberals have managed to create a spot on earth that you choose to live and obviously benefit from, else you'd have moved away by now. Clearly you have choices. Now, could it be that some not so advantaged kids might have something to offer well off kids, despite what you say? Hmm, maybe so.

Meh... What constant whining about liberals? That was only my second post in this thread.
The same argument could be made about higher SES kids in South Arlington not being allowed to go to their neighborhood school and being bused to Drew for their own "benefit."

I moved to Arlington for the commute. If I went to anywhere else as near in to my job as Arlington, I would still be surrounded by you hopeless leftists. Arlington derives its wealth from its proximity to the government and its various hangers-on. It is not leftists that created this spot on earth. However, leftists are certainly doing a good job of pissing away Arlington's wealth and making it a less pleasant place to live.

I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are all in high school. The reason I comment is that I see these ridiculous arguments where people want to use other kids to benefit their own kids. Furthermore, they claim that this will not only benefit the lower SES kids, but also the higher SES kids against what the parents of the higher SES kids clearly think. This is obviously a fascistic argument. Why can't you let people honestly state their preferences (and the rationale behind these preferences) without calling them racists? You leftists clearly don't realize that it is, in fact, you that are the source of all sorts of fascist social engineering where you don't take into account the preferences of those who might disagree with you.

How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

^ You must be the parent quoted in ARL Now that is fired up, yet sends their kids to Montesorri and has no dog in this fight either.

Dp- that you can’t figure out where this poster is liking living, should give everyone a clue that you HAVE NO CLUE. Seriously dude, go grind your weird bigoted axe elsewhere. You aren’t remotely informed enough to participate here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

Do you really think the families in the single family homes in Douglas Park and Columbia Heights are going to send their kids to Drew, under the current proposal? Many of these families moved to these neighborhoods because they liked Henry and it's performance, demographics and opportunities. They are not going to take a chance on Drew with their kids.

There will be a sudden hankering for expeditionary learning, immersion or traditional eduction. And if the lottery doesn't pan out, a sudden religious fervor and desire for Catholic school or Our Savior Lutheran.

The families from Columbia Heights/Douglas Park that will send their kids to Drew are the ones that don't have the luxury of options. It's not going to result in a meaningful increase in resources or political influence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is calling for a handful of white kids from Jamestown to be bussed to Drew, so spare us that straw man and your constant whining about liberals. Your willingness to live among people you clearly detest ("leftists") seems oddly apropos to this discussion. Seems like for all our faults, us liberals have managed to create a spot on earth that you choose to live and obviously benefit from, else you'd have moved away by now. Clearly you have choices. Now, could it be that some not so advantaged kids might have something to offer well off kids, despite what you say? Hmm, maybe so.

Meh... What constant whining about liberals? That was only my second post in this thread.
The same argument could be made about higher SES kids in South Arlington not being allowed to go to their neighborhood school and being bused to Drew for their own "benefit."

I moved to Arlington for the commute. If I went to anywhere else as near in to my job as Arlington, I would still be surrounded by you hopeless leftists. Arlington derives its wealth from its proximity to the government and its various hangers-on. It is not leftists that created this spot on earth. However, leftists are certainly doing a good job of pissing away Arlington's wealth and making it a less pleasant place to live.

I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are all in high school. The reason I comment is that I see these ridiculous arguments where people want to use other kids to benefit their own kids. Furthermore, they claim that this will not only benefit the lower SES kids, but also the higher SES kids against what the parents of the higher SES kids clearly think. This is obviously a fascistic argument. Why can't you let people honestly state their preferences (and the rationale behind these preferences) without calling them racists? You leftists clearly don't realize that it is, in fact, you that are the source of all sorts of fascist social engineering where you don't take into account the preferences of those who might disagree with you.

How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

^ You must be the parent quoted in ARL Now that is fired up, yet sends their kids to Montesorri and has no dog in this fight either.

And you must be a moron who not only doesn't live here but can't read a map. And no, I'm not her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No one is calling for a handful of white kids from Jamestown to be bussed to Drew, so spare us that straw man and your constant whining about liberals. Your willingness to live among people you clearly detest ("leftists") seems oddly apropos to this discussion. Seems like for all our faults, us liberals have managed to create a spot on earth that you choose to live and obviously benefit from, else you'd have moved away by now. Clearly you have choices. Now, could it be that some not so advantaged kids might have something to offer well off kids, despite what you say? Hmm, maybe so.

Meh... What constant whining about liberals? That was only my second post in this thread.
The same argument could be made about higher SES kids in South Arlington not being allowed to go to their neighborhood school and being bused to Drew for their own "benefit."

I moved to Arlington for the commute. If I went to anywhere else as near in to my job as Arlington, I would still be surrounded by you hopeless leftists. Arlington derives its wealth from its proximity to the government and its various hangers-on. It is not leftists that created this spot on earth. However, leftists are certainly doing a good job of pissing away Arlington's wealth and making it a less pleasant place to live.

I don't have a dog in this fight as my kids are all in high school. The reason I comment is that I see these ridiculous arguments where people want to use other kids to benefit their own kids. Furthermore, they claim that this will not only benefit the lower SES kids, but also the higher SES kids against what the parents of the higher SES kids clearly think. This is obviously a fascistic argument. Why can't you let people honestly state their preferences (and the rationale behind these preferences) without calling them racists? You leftists clearly don't realize that it is, in fact, you that are the source of all sorts of fascist social engineering where you don't take into account the preferences of those who might disagree with you.

How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

^ You must be the parent quoted in ARL Now that is fired up, yet sends their kids to Montesorri and has no dog in this fight either.

And you must be a moron who not only doesn't live here but can't read a map. And no, I'm not her.

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Why are you calling people ugly names and assuming they don’t live “here” just because they feel differently than you? You are not the kind of neighbor I want (and yes, I live here).

[Anonymous]

I think there might be more AH planned for South of the Puke. There is the Ethiopian Community building behind the car dealership. And another one on Columbia Pike across from Giant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there might be more AH planned for South of the Puke. There is the Ethiopian Community building behind the car dealership. And another one on Columbia Pike across from Giant.

I believe those are townhouses, not sure how they swung that since the county staff has declared townhouse development a "threat" to AH and basically outlawed it.

[Anonymous]

Town houses are the only shot many middle class families have to buy in Arlington. Especially in south arlignton, where there is at least a snowballs chance they will be under 900k.
It would be great to have someone run for County board and say that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Town houses are the only shot many middle class families have to buy in Arlington. Especially in south arlignton, where there is at least a snowballs chance they will be under 900k.
It would be great to have someone run for County board and say that

CB doesn't want a middle class. Middle class people don't always vote for dems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Town houses are the only shot many middle class families have to buy in Arlington. Especially in south arlignton, where there is at least a snowballs chance they will be under 900k.
It would be great to have someone run for County board and say that

CB doesn't want a middle class. Middle class people don't always vote for dems.

But young people starting out do - and then they'll become families and move into the SFHs and vote dem, being replaced in their townhomes by the next wave of young liberals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

Do you really think the families in the single family homes in Douglas Park and Columbia Heights are going to send their kids to Drew, under the current proposal? Many of these families moved to these neighborhoods because they liked Henry and it's performance, demographics and opportunities. They are not going to take a chance on Drew with their kids.

There will be a sudden hankering for expeditionary learning, immersion or traditional eduction. And if the lottery doesn't pan out, a sudden religious fervor and desire for Catholic school or Our Savior Lutheran.

The families from Columbia Heights/Douglas Park that will send their kids to Drew are the ones that don't have the luxury of options. It's not going to result in a meaningful increase in resources or political influence.

I hate to say it, but I think this is exactly what will happen. You need a more concentrated group of UMC kids to go en masse to drew to make a meaningful difference in test scores (if that’s your thing).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

Do you really think the families in the single family homes in Douglas Park and Columbia Heights are going to send their kids to Drew, under the current proposal? Many of these families moved to these neighborhoods because they liked Henry and it's performance, demographics and opportunities. They are not going to take a chance on Drew with their kids.

There will be a sudden hankering for expeditionary learning, immersion or traditional eduction. And if the lottery doesn't pan out, a sudden religious fervor and desire for Catholic school or Our Savior Lutheran.

The families from Columbia Heights/Douglas Park that will send their kids to Drew are the ones that don't have the luxury of options. It's not going to result in a meaningful increase in resources or political influence.

I hate to say it, but I think this is exactly what will happen. You need a more concentrated group of UMC kids to go en masse to drew to make a meaningful difference in test scores (if that’s your thing).

But at least the school will be less crowded then, which is a huge boost for lower income kids. Smaller schools and smaller class sizes matter. If the UMC families don't materialize, things (resources, clout) won't be boosted, but they also won't be permanently foreclosed either. You gerrymander a poor zone by reaching across 4MR and pulling in a bunch of random low income kids who don't live anywhere near the school, but not the adjacent mixed income PUs, from the jump and it can only get worse. You've sent the community a message. The wrong one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How about you shut up and get out of this conversation since it doesn't even involve you? We're talking about adjacent planning units and nobody who walks is getting on a bus. These are all kids outside of any walk zone already on a bus, often between two equidistant schools. Those are the PUs in play, and those are the ones that are being disputed right now. Sending those PUs in one direction rather than another should not be left to parent preference. It should be a decision made by the SB based on what is best for the majority of students, which is to NOT attend a highly segregated neighborhood school that lacks not just resources and opportunities, but also political influence. In short, butt out and take your Ayn Rand philosophy wirh you.

Do you really think the families in the single family homes in Douglas Park and Columbia Heights are going to send their kids to Drew, under the current proposal? Many of these families moved to these neighborhoods because they liked Henry and it's performance, demographics and opportunities. They are not going to take a chance on Drew with their kids.

There will be a sudden hankering for expeditionary learning, immersion or traditional eduction. And if the lottery doesn't pan out, a sudden religious fervor and desire for Catholic school or Our Savior Lutheran.

The families from Columbia Heights/Douglas Park that will send their kids to Drew are the ones that don't have the luxury of options. It's not going to result in a meaningful increase in resources or political influence.

I hate to say it, but I think this is exactly what will happen. You need a more concentrated group of UMC kids to go en masse to drew to make a meaningful difference in test scores (if that’s your thing).

But at least the school will be less crowded then, which is a huge boost for lower income kids. Smaller schools and smaller class sizes matter. If the UMC families don't materialize, things (resources, clout) won't be boosted, but they also won't be permanently foreclosed either. You gerrymander a poor zone by reaching across 4MR and pulling in a bunch of random low income kids who don't live anywhere near the school, but not the adjacent mixed income PUs, from the jump and it can only get worse. You've sent the community a message. The wrong one.

Bingo. It's just baffling to me that the SB instructed staff to draw a tortured map that satisfies a handful of parents who recently bought or built expensive homes on the periphery of a desirable school boundary, amidst clear communication that boundaries were in play. Why cater to these people? You're just training them and others to repeat this tantrum, like Arlington Forest did, every time a decision like this comes up. It's parenting 101. Put your foot down, and don't encourage selfish shortsighted behavior.