RANT: Teachers, why are you so whiny?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

This is so ironic. This is LITERALLY what OP is talking about haha

Missing the point. The PP is supposed to be with small children all day and then do all that other stuff? How would you like to do a desk job in addition to taking care of 16 small children all day long?

I mean...I would hate the second part alone, which is why I did not decide to become a teacher. But yes of course she is expected to do things besides just be with the kids during school hours - evaluations and documentation are part of the job, this was never a secret.

And being all dramatic about a 3-hour classroom observation is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about here. Evaluations are pretty standard...

PS everyone looks forward to dentist/doctor/etc appointments as little breaks from the workday. Seriously do you think other people just go to work and sit down at a desk and watch movies all day?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

+100. I don't know why we don't just let teachers teach. A 100 page portfolio? WTH?

Amen. And now they want teachers to be held responsible for children's lives by taking down crazed gunmen who burst into schools with machine guns. What next?

Machine guns? Really? Are you that stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

Further evidence of exactly what PPs are talking about. "How exhausting it is in body and soul"? It's the overdramatic whininess that discredits you guys / makes you look not particularly intelligent. Also no one you guys are venting to works anywhere near a 30 hour work week haha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

This is so ironic. This is LITERALLY what OP is talking about haha

Missing the point. The PP is supposed to be with small children all day and then do all that other stuff? How would you like to do a desk job in addition to taking care of 16 small children all day long?

I mean...I would hate the second part alone, which is why I did not decide to become a teacher. But yes of course she is expected to do things besides just be with the kids during school hours - evaluations and documentation are part of the job, this was never a secret.

And being all dramatic about a 3-hour classroom observation is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about here. Evaluations are pretty standard...

PS everyone looks forward to dentist/doctor/etc appointments as little breaks from the workday. Seriously do you think other people just go to work and sit down at a desk and watch movies all day?

NP here. I surf the web at least half the day and get paid six figures. So, yes, this is not an inaccurate assumption that teachers have of people with high paid desk jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

Further evidence of exactly what PPs are talking about. "How exhausting it is in body and soul"? It's the overdramatic whininess that discredits you guys / makes you look not particularly intelligent. Also no one you guys are venting to works anywhere near a 30 hour work week haha.

Have you ever done it? Spent significant hours a week with many children who are not your own in an enclosed space?

Get back to us after you do. If you haven't lapsed into a coma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

+100. I don't know why we don't just let teachers teach. A 100 page portfolio? WTH?

Amen. And now they want teachers to be held responsible for children's lives by taking down crazed gunmen who burst into schools with machine guns. What next?

Machine guns? Really? Are you that stupid?

What other kind of gun could shoot scores of people in a short time?

[Anonymous]

I think the drama here is coming from the constant and voracious needs of the children. It just never stops. There is no downtime during the school day when you are a teacher. You are running on adrenaline. You can't even pee when you need to. It just gets to you and until you do it yourself you just don't understand or have any appreciation for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

Further evidence of exactly what PPs are talking about. "How exhausting it is in body and soul"? It's the overdramatic whininess that discredits you guys / makes you look not particularly intelligent. Also no one you guys are venting to works anywhere near a 30 hour work week haha.

Have you ever done it? Spent significant hours a week with many children who are not your own in an enclosed space?

Get back to us after you do. If you haven't lapsed into a coma.

...again, exactly the type of drama that is being referenced here. You knew spending "significant hours a week with many children who are not your own in an enclosed space" is what the job would entail when you chose to become/stay a teacher, no? If not, what were you thinking you'd be doing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the drama here is coming from the constant and voracious needs of the children. It just never stops. There is no downtime during the school day when you are a teacher. You are running on adrenaline. You can't even pee when you need to. It just gets to you and until you do it yourself you just don't understand or have any appreciation for it.

No, I certainly have an appreciation for it and think it's a perfectly respectable (and difficult) profession. It's the drama and whininess that's just too much. I seriously HATE how every teacher I know thinks I want to sit there and listen to them list off every single task they've completed over the past week. I seriously DGAF, and when you lost them out like that and act like it's the hardest thing in the world...yes, you don't sound very intelligent.

[Anonymous]

OP is a troll. Ignore.

-----teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the drama here is coming from the constant and voracious needs of the children. It just never stops. There is no downtime during the school day when you are a teacher. You are running on adrenaline. You can't even pee when you need to. It just gets to you and until you do it yourself you just don't understand or have any appreciation for it.

No, I certainly have an appreciation for it and think it's a perfectly respectable (and difficult) profession. It's the drama and whininess that's just too much. I seriously HATE how every teacher I know thinks I want to sit there and listen to them list off every single task they've completed over the past week. I seriously DGAF, and when you lost them out like that and act like it's the hardest thing in the world...yes, you don't sound very intelligent.

Well, you have to tell them you DGAF. Call them out on it. Tell them you're not gonna take it anymore! You're so tired of it and you don't ever want to hear one more complaint ever again!

[Anonymous]

Can we just end this and agree to disagree? Nothing productive will come out of this and it’s a tired argument on both sides. —teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

Further evidence of exactly what PPs are talking about. "How exhausting it is in body and soul"? It's the overdramatic whininess that discredits you guys / makes you look not particularly intelligent. Also no one you guys are venting to works anywhere near a 30 hour work week haha.

Have you ever done it? Spent significant hours a week with many children who are not your own in an enclosed space?

Get back to us after you do. If you haven't lapsed into a coma.

...again, exactly the type of drama that is being referenced here. You knew spending "significant hours a week with many children who are not your own in an enclosed space" is what the job would entail when you chose to become/stay a teacher, no? If not, what were you thinking you'd be doing?

It's like bungee jumping. You sign up for it, but you don't know you're gonna shit your pants until you actually jump off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

+100. I don't know why we don't just let teachers teach. A 100 page portfolio? WTH?

Amen. And now they want teachers to be held responsible for children's lives by taking down crazed gunmen who burst into schools with machine guns. What next?

Machine guns? Really? Are you that stupid?

What other kind of gun could shoot scores of people in a short time?

Machine guns are not legal, haven’t been for over 30 years. No mass shootings were done with “machine guns” so you look stupid when you say someone will “burst in with machine guns”. It does not help your argument when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Columbine was carried out with pistols and shotguns, VA tech was pistols. Not machine guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach Pre-Kindergarten. PRE-KINDERGARTEN. In the past six weeks I've written a 100+ page classroom portfolio for NAEYC accreditation, screened 32 four year olds and wrote a report on the aggregate data, retroactively entered student assessments from fall into our cloud based curriculum program that wasn't available when it was actually fall (because the city didn't pay the company for it in time), entered said assessments for winter into the system, conducted parent-teacher conferences, and written myriad lesson plans.

This is all in addition to teaching, caring for, and just being with 16 four and five year olds 5 days a week for many hours per day. And Monday I have an observation wherein a person unknown to me will come into my classroom for three hours to write down everything I do and say, and then "grade" my performance. I will only get the results in September, when I won't remember anything about what happened during the observation.

I really am about to collapse. Just so, so weary. Friday afternoon I had a dentist appointment and was actually looking forward to it because I could recline in a chair for a little while without doing any work. So please excuse me if I seem a little whiny, a little cranky. Sorry not sorry.

You are proving everyone's point! Here's the thing. MOST of us who work could come here and write a long exhaustible list of all the things we've done at work over the past month...it would be long and boring and tiring sounding, just like your rant. It's called work for a reason. We just choose not to, because we know it's ridiculously boring to have to listen to someone catalogue every single task they've been paid to do all week - something teachers don't seem to have picked up on, Do you not think other people are expected to complete lots of different difficult and strenuous tasks at work?? It seems like that is honestly how teachers who rant and whine all the time feel...you are coming on here and doing exactly what people in this thread are talking about. As a PP said, it does not make you guys look very intelligent.

You are MISSING the point. All the paperwork and desk time is IN ADDITION to PP being in a classroom with small children doing his/ her primary job (teaching) for I imagine over 30 hours a week. So that's almost a full work week right there. Do you know how exhausting it is body and soul to do just that? And then pile on all the other stuff, which I imagine is being done at home?

+100. I don't know why we don't just let teachers teach. A 100 page portfolio? WTH?

Amen. And now they want teachers to be held responsible for children's lives by taking down crazed gunmen who burst into schools with machine guns. What next?

Machine guns? Really? Are you that stupid?

What other kind of gun could shoot scores of people in a short time?

Machine guns are not legal, haven’t been for over 30 years. No mass shootings were done with “machine guns” so you look stupid when you say someone will “burst in with machine guns”. It does not help your argument when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Columbine was carried out with pistols and shotguns, VA tech was pistols. Not machine guns.

OMG. Scores of people are dead from mass shootings. They were all done with GUNS. Guns that could shoot many bullets in a short time. Stop being pedantic.