How much back pay is due a full time nanny / housekeeper. |
Around here a good nanny runs $30/ hour. Figuring she’s done this for 30 years, you’re only looking at $7M |
You are making it a bigger deal than it is; there are not that many school breaks and the school and the camps are open. We raised two boys - one is in med school now, the other one on his way to a great school too - and we were able to maintain two successful and fulfilling careers while the kids also played rec and travel baseball. You can have a great, well paid career with a flex schedule, as long as you have a lucrative skill and/or are highly educated. I'm a fed at a financial agency with a lot of flexibility. My friend tutors for MCAT and makes $500/hour. Another one is a pediatrician with 4 kids and makes a decent living WFH doing research for an insurance company and her H is a hands on dad and ER doctor who works 2 days/week. My H is a VP for an international company and he did all the sports, including coaching. Nobody should be the default parent, both parents need to be involved in raising the kids. There is solid research out there that having a SAHM significantly decreases a girl's future income and career potential and boys raised by working moms are more involved in raising their children. Of course, if one has a special needs child, the story is completely different, although I would still make the pro-work argument, as the expenses related to raising a special needs child are enormous and the care in US is terrible. |
| I have indefinite spousal support. Still happens. Went to court to get it. |
This is garbage and nasty. As for making $500 an hour for tutoring, give me a break. The best tutors make less than $300 an hour. I have a feeling your friend is lying or works very few hours. Grow up. |
That's great you are a high earner. Not everyone is. I was in the helping profession and earned $65K a year. After taxes and child care, it didn't pay for me to work. Top that off with a SN child who needed daily therapies and then a MIL who needed full-time care (who had no money), I couldn't afford to work. And, now I have my own health issues. You are talking about high earners who are doctors, VP's, high level feds and other high paying jobs. That's not realistic for all of us. At best, if I went back to work, I'd have to start all over again and at best make $40-50K. And, then take out child care, taxes and other expenses and I might bring home a few hundred a month. |
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Yes, it still happens. Close friends divorced in Virginia 3-4 years ago. Long marriage, SAHM- she got "lifetime" alimony, meaning alimony until he retires and then she gets her part of his pension.
My boyfriend divorced in Georgia in a similar situation and with a similar result. |
How do you make your case? |
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Here's the thing: the things that a stay at home parent does is undervalued. Think of it this way: what would it cost to pay someone to:
1. Keep your house tidy and clean daily; 2. Manage all doctors appointments and take your children to those appointments 3. Pick up your children from school 4. Make sure homework is done, and provide tutoring to your children (tutors cost at least $100/hour, often more in the DMV) 5. Do all of the grocery shopping 6. Do your laundry and take clothes to the cleaners 7. Pick up all family members Rx and run errands 8. Plan and cook meals 9. Stay home with your kids when they are sick or pick them up early if the school nurse calls I quit a good paying job about five years ago at the urging of my husband. When I was working, we were constantly negotiating who would take the kids to the doctor, pick them up from school. We made this decision to have less stress in our family life. Not only did it make our lives less stressful, we also did this because our kids were struggling with anxiety and depression. I've not been eating bonbons. It's been grueling and not easy to shift into this role, but it has been really important for our children's mental health. At this point, as I'm pushing 50, I'm not a great candidate in the workforce. It saddens me to see the callous comments in this thread about women who make this sacrifice for their family. Ultimately, it is a benefit to society if a parent can afford to stay home with children who are depressed, etc. I realize not everyone has this luxury - it is no doubt holding us back financially, but being there for kids with special needs in particular is something society should not be shaming. |
I have always done all of that and I also WAH full-time bringing in $175k. |
Are your children special needs? |
Stop conflating marital assets / wealth .... which is split 50/50 during divorce (and I have no problem whatsoever with that) versus ALIMONY ... which is ONGOING income paid to an ex spouse for (potentially) many years after divorce. Leaving aside the more basic question that only in the most extreme rare cases is alimony ever justified .... even THEN I say: any woman who receives any alimony should be forced to work an equal number of hours as her alimony-paying-ex-husband. She can retire when he retires, not one day sooner. |
Let's leave the special needs scenario aside as it is a special case. For the neurotypical families, the mindset of "what would you pay for someone to do XYZ" is not justified. A SAHM cannot be compared to hired help for one simple reason: the help does not enjoy the fruit of their labor. A personal chef does not eat what he cooks. A nanny doesn't acquire 50% interest in your children. A housekeeper does not live in your house. Everything a SAHM does, she does 50% for herself. Do you grocery shop, plan and cook meals? Half of that is for you. Do you tutor your children? Half of that is on you. Do you have a clean, nicely decorated house? Congratulations, you live there too and you enjoy it. Don't compare your labor for your family with what hired help does, delivers to you and goes home. |
In Virginia - if you are married 19+ years, presumption is permanent alimony. |
This is not how it works. Virginia is actually pretty generous with alimony. Sorry if that upsets people. |