Do you think Trump's tax proposal will pass?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.


Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.


Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.


That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.


Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.

Good grief. You are so predictable. Yes, I know $80k doesn't go far, but if you can't save at least two months' expenses, you are living beyond your means. Get a cheaper apartment, or take in a roommate. Stop eating out. Go on NO vacations until you have an emergency savings account.

And I WAS a single oarent myself. (Still am, but DD is grown.) It was 10 years ago when I was laid off, and even at my $75,000 salary, I had put away 8 months' expenses. Why and how? I knew I was responsible for a child, and I did so by buying a tiny 2-bedroom condo instead of the larger townhouse the bank approved me for. I lived below my means, enabling me to save for a rainy day.
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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.


Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.


Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.


That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.


Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.


DP. This is the attitude that Americans abhor! No you aren’t going to own a house in the Ws on $80 grand but, you can live further out or rent and request a CoSA. Go to the various clinics or CVS. Take public transportation. Cook at home regularly. Go to Goodwill, Salvation Army or any thrift shop. Start an Etsy business. Be in control of your crappy attitude. $80 grand is a gewt deal to most Americans.
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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.


Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.


Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.


That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.


Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.


DP. This is the attitude that Americans abhor! No you aren’t going to own a house in the Ws on $80 grand but, you can live further out or rent and request a CoSA. Go to the various clinics or CVS. Take public transportation. Cook at home regularly. Go to Goodwill, Salvation Army or any thrift shop. Start an Etsy business. Be in control of your crappy attitude. $80 grand is a gewt deal to most Americans.


There are a lot of people who have done everything you and the other pp have suggested, and so much more! They are still barely scraping by. Please step out of your bubble and talk to people who have experienced more hardship than you. I can’t believe we’ve become a society that says “so what if you don’t get your paycheck! Shoulda saved for that!”

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Anonymous wrote:There is no anti-deficit faction in the Senate. The deficit is just something Senators cluck about when the other side is in control.

Deficit will surely come up when they refuse to Renew the CHIP program


Well screw those kids! They should get a better job!


The ACA has legal presence as a qualifier so there's a long list of people in categories that are non citizens who can get CHIP including the Obama minors. https://www.nilc.org/issues/health-care/lawfullypresent/





Many states have already run out of federal CHIP funds and are awaiting Congress...


Well then. The wealthy can give money to the govt beyond the tax system [don't include the donation/contribution] on the returns for CHIP for special interests like illegals given legal presence as well as money to localities stuck paying for them via local taxes.

Obama's flood of minors after DACA is accountable and traceable.
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Something tells me this morning's twitter distractions are to deflect from this tax proposal crashing and burning like everything else with Trump's fingerprints. Or maybe it's 4D chess to distract media from Pence ramming it thru?
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The GOP Tax Cuts Are Even More Unpopular Than Past Tax Hikes

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gop-tax-cuts-are-even-more-unpopular-than-past-tax-hikes/

In fact, the GOP bill is one of the least popular tax plans since Ronald Reagan’s day.
About a third of voters currently support the Republican tax reform package, according to an average of five surveys released1 this month. In a Quinnipiac University survey, just 25 percent of voters approved of the plan. Surveys from ABC News/Washington Post, CNN, Morning Consult and YouGov put approval of the plan slightly higher, but all are still at 36 percent or lower. Meanwhile, an average of the five polls puts opposition at 46 percent.
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Anonymous wrote:Something tells me this morning's twitter distractions are to deflect from this tax proposal crashing and burning like everything else with Trump's fingerprints. Or maybe it's 4D chess to distract media from Pence ramming it thru?


How is it crashing and burning?
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Anonymous wrote:Something tells me this morning's twitter distractions are to deflect from this tax proposal crashing and burning like everything else with Trump's fingerprints. Or maybe it's 4D chess to distract media from Pence ramming it thru?


How is it crashing and burning?


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You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs
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Anonymous wrote:There is no anti-deficit faction in the Senate. The deficit is just something Senators cluck about when the other side is in control.

Deficit will surely come up when they refuse to Renew the CHIP program


I don't understand Republicans. They're pro-life and all about protecting unborn babies, but once the kids are born, they just **** all over them.


Hint: they don't give a sh#t about other peoples' kids at all. Abortion, religion, etc are all just useful wedge issues to get working classes to side with policies that help inherited wealth at the expense of the middle class.

Despite all our education, the vast knowledge attainable via the internet, and miraculous technological breakthroughs, we STILL have folks getting hung up on tribalist wedge issues and supporting politicians who want to destroy their economic security. The wealthy have been doing this for millennia and workers are still too dumb to see them for the con artists they actually are.


This is the clearest summation of American political history I have ever read. Well done.
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Anonymous wrote:You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs

Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.
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Anonymous wrote:You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs

Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.

Also possibly Rand? Because of what it adds to the deficit over time.
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Anonymous wrote:You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs

Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.


The trigger isn't even a real thing. It's just talk now, and supposedly language will be ready by tomorrow. Maybe.
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Anonymous wrote:You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs

Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.


The trigger isn't even a real thing. It's just talk now, and supposedly language will be ready by tomorrow. Maybe.

Regardless of whether its official language right now, Kennedy (I think?) came out yesterday and said trigger would be a nonstarter. Corker (basically) said he needs the trigger. That sounds like an impasse? But yes I agree we won't really know until they make actual votes, if that's what you were getting at.
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Even Trump's senior economic adviser thinks "the individual side of the GOP tax plan never should have happened and threatens to “hurt a lot of different people. When you end the state and local deduction, because rates are still relatively high, you are going to hurt a lot of different people. So the internal logic was not good and this is not a true tax reform bill.” Does ANYONE like this tax plan? Because right now, it's as popular as cholera.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/29/trump-tax-reform-kudlow-194187?lo=ap_b1
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