New APS Elem Boundaries (ASFS)

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Absolutely. And then people will say that ATS isn't diverse enough. Choice programs should be in the middle of the county wherever possible. ATS's location right now makes perfect sense.

+1. ATS is in a great spot right now for county-wide access. If it moves, it should be to somewhere in the central part of the county (north or south). Jamestown wouldn't work. The only other true county-wide program - Montessori - is moving closer to the center of the county (from Drew to Henry), not further away.

ATS IS NOT in a great location for county-wide access. It's about a 30 min. drive from the bottom of the county. It's convenient for N. ARL parents only. It would relive crowding at 4 overcrowded schools if converted to a neighborhood school and diversity would drastically increase if moved down county.

Did you know that there is a bus that busses N Arl white children .4 miles (about 4 blocks) to ATS? That is an absolute waste of taxpayer money since there is a walking path to the school and a few cross-walks with patrols at them.

[Anonymous]

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

[Anonymous]

Fantastic. I look forward to my south Arlington preschooler having a better chance to use the slide at discovery when it becomes ATS. It’s a very small county and we’ll have no problem driving a couple of extra miles. I’ll pass on my neighborhood school, thanks.

[Anonymous]

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

+1

[Anonymous]

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fantastic. I look forward to my south Arlington preschooler having a better chance to use the slide at discovery when it becomes ATS. It’s a very small county and we’ll have no problem driving a couple of extra miles. I’ll pass on my neighborhood school, thanks.

Haha unless you a chummy with a SH member, you have little chance of making lottery, esp with sibling preference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

Alcova heights to Fleet?

Keep dreamin’ sweetheart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

Alcova heights to Fleet?

Keep dreamin’ sweetheart.

I think it would be a mistake, but I think they're going to do it anyway. For proximity and alignment, the only things that matter any more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

Cool, us Discovery families can keep sitting under capacity. Works for me.

[Anonymous]

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Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Absolutely. And then people will say that ATS isn't diverse enough. Choice programs should be in the middle of the county wherever possible. ATS's location right now makes perfect sense.

I'm willing to say that now.

It's no more diverse than the nearest ES (Ashlawn), and less so than APS as a whole, and it offers developmentally inappropriate instruction at the cost of a neighborhood school. It should go.

What kind of "developmentally inappropriate instruction" does ATS offer? Please elaborate.

[Anonymous]

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Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Absolutely. And then people will say that ATS isn't diverse enough. Choice programs should be in the middle of the county wherever possible. ATS's location right now makes perfect sense.

I'm willing to say that now.

It's no more diverse than the nearest ES (Ashlawn), and less so than APS as a whole, and it offers developmentally inappropriate instruction at the cost of a neighborhood school. It should go.

What kind of "developmentally inappropriate instruction" does ATS offer? Please elaborate.

DP. ATS is no more "developmentally inappropriate" than the VA state curriculum for K-1. Don't blame them for trying to be successful within the parameters established by the state.

[Anonymous]

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I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

Cool, us Discovery families can keep sitting under capacity. Works for me.

They're going to open you up to transfers.

[Anonymous]

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DP. ATS is no more "developmentally inappropriate" than the VA state curriculum for K-1. Don't blame them for trying to be successful within the parameters established by the state.

ATS was insisting that all kids be able to read by the end of kindergarten long before the state was pushing it.

And homework every night in every grade? No proven value.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I also think I called it earlier when I said one of Discovery, Jamestown or Nottingham will become an option school, ATS or otherwise. They specifically said too many times that they'd look at areas with overlapping walk zones as places where you could move an option school. There are PUs that are within the walk zone for all three of those schools. My guess would be Jamestown, because so many of the students there are already bus riders, it really doesn't affect them to ride a bus to Discovery or Taylor instead. Plus it will give them an excuse to given Jamestown a much-needed renovation without it being prioritizing North Arlington students at the expense of others.

I can't stop laughing at the smug.

Moving a choice program so far from SArl eliminates attendance by parents who need to use public transportation and extended day. Talk about prioritizing the privileged.

Then don't complain about the schools up there being undercapacity while others are overcrowded. This the solution to that. If you don't want to move a choice program up there, you are choosing for those schools to stay the way they are. We're not playing with legos were you can just take the whole set-up apart and move pieces around to wherever you want. The schools are where they are and we have to work with that.

You can keep being lazy about the whole thing and just pick apart and complain about whatever solution someone else comes up with for not being perfect. Or you could do the hard work of looking at the maps, thinking critically about what your realistic options are, and then coming up with a solution. Clearly the staff is doing that. I tried to do that in looking for ways for balance out enrollment across the county and coming upon this solution. What's your suggestion that deal with actual facts and community priorities?

NP to this thread. I don't think it makes sense to move a CW program to a less accessible place. Placing a CW program in an area like that makes it more difficult for disadvantaged families to even apply. It's a disproportionate burden for them. However, looking at the potential south side boundaries as they relate to the MS boundaries, I think maybe there is potential for an under capacity Barcroft to become a CW program. The school could use a renovation and a slight expansion would be feasible. It is a smaller property so would be good for an option program with a capped enrollment. That way they could use the larger parcel where ATS currently sits for neighborhood seats so there would be room for expansion. I think once they move Alcova Heights PU's to the new Fleet, Barcroft will be even less crowded. How will they fill it? Barcroft neighborhood could be zoned, split between Barrett and Randolph. . If they need a choice program in the N, maybe they should make a second ATS? Seems like it could fill based on the depth of their wait list.

Cool, us Discovery families can keep sitting under capacity. Works for me.

They're going to open you up to transfers.

Only as long as there's excess capacity. If we're ever in danger of hitting full capacity, transfers get sent back to their own schools. Works for me!

[Anonymous]

Didn't read the whole thread -- was it decided whether they were rezoning ASFS borders before the broader elem rezoning?