New APS Elem Boundaries (ASFS)

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale, the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

No swap key and ASFS. Rosslyn TO Taylor is a long arse ride

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

No swap key and ASFS. Rosslyn TO Taylor is a long arse ride

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It's a better alignment of schools with population distribution. The Key location would get a TON of walkers.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

No swap key and ASFS. Rosslyn TO Taylor is a long arse ride

+1

It's a better alignment of schools with population distribution. The Key location would get a TON of walkers.

As a Rosslyn parent, I would love this solution. Maybe if we get matching shirts?

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

No swap key and ASFS. Rosslyn TO Taylor is a long arse ride

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It's a better alignment of schools with population distribution. The Key location would get a TON of walkers.

As a Rosslyn parent, I would love this solution. Maybe if we get matching shirts?

I love this idea too (I live in courthouse). I don't know how but let's advocate for this somehow. Just don't tell ms begley, even as an adult I find her really intimidating.

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Anonymous wrote:First they are going to look and see if their option schools are in the right place- of if the option schools need a neighborhood boundary. (This Spring) They have been very careful to say that this look will not include looking at which option schools should go where.
In doing so (my prediction) is that they will decide that Key should have a neighborhood boundary, and ASFS should be option.
They will then flip the schools.

I have a hard time believing the Board would swap out all the students/staff/specific facilities of Key and ASFS. That's a much larger - and expensive - undertaking than what it seems on the surface. There's been years of discussion & planning to move the Montessori program into Patrick Henry. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of talk about Key.

Why? Montessori requires specific classroom configurations. Does immersion require that? Asfs is a run of the mill school, there isn't anything specific there other than the science lab and investigation station which wouldn't be movable anyways.

Ok, but Key has about 750+ students. It's already over capacity in a larger building. You want to move it to the smaller ASFS, which is built for 550 kids?

They can control the size of the immersion program. They can't control the size of the key neighborhood. It makes sense to have the larger school building be the neighborhood school. Otherwise you're saying a county wide program is more important than the needs of that neighborhood (rosslyn/courthouse/Clarendon). The key asfs zone is the part of the county that the county board actively eliminated parking in in order to promote a car free diet. You get rid of key, none of the other north Arlington schools are walkable at all except for asfs. Bussing those kids to discovery or even Taylor (which means parents without a car can't pick up from extended day), goes completely contrary to all the planning done for decades to make that area car free.
Maybe immersion goes to Taylor. Asfs absorbs the Taylor units near it, and units it can't accommodate go to Jamestown.

I think the county-wide choice program should outweigh the needs of one neighborhood. It's supposed to benefit kids across half of Arlington County, not just the families that go to ASFS. And look, this isn't even under discussion so not sure why you're playing checkers with the schools. "Let's move Key to Taylor, then swap those kids out with ASFS ...which we'll greatly expand to accommodate the needs of that n'hood!"

New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

NP. Partially false. Key and ASFS currently share the same boundary zone.

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New poster. I don't think you realize how in the middle of the Taylor zone the current asfs building is. To create a walk zone and connect it to the existing key zone and not create an island of kids still going to Taylor, you have to move at least 7 planning units. That's around 70 kids per year or 420 kids total (and that's a conservative estimate based off of the middle school data, really the total number of kids that get moved from Taylor may be Much higher)! So if they,humor the people in the asfs neighborhood who want it to be a neighborhood school for cherrydale the only way you can do it without creating an island is to move 200 kids to long branch from Clarendon (which correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't space) and then create either an island or peninsula moving kids to Taylor or Jamestown or discovery from Rosslyn/courthouse for the other 200 or so kids. Not saying they won't do it, it's just much more disruptive than people here make it seem. Lots of Taylor kids will get moved, most of the existing key zone will have to go to Taylor or bussed up county.

Wasn't the directive from SB to staff to draw elementary boundaries without any regard for existing boundaries? Just clean slate make it make as much sense as possible? ASFS and Taylor's proximity vs the lack os non-lottery school along the C-Ch-R corridor pose an interesting problem, but I think your scenario may not be far off the mark. It will be very disruptive.

ASFS and Taylor are a mile and a half from each other - I would not describe that as proximity in such a small county. And considering the building ASFS is located in was the neighborhood school for Cherrydale for many years before it became ASFS, I have no problem allowing the people who actually live in
its neighborhood to walk to and attend ASFS rather than putting their kids on a bus to Taylor.

But back then, I believe Wilson school and Key School were elementary schools which served the rest of ASFS existing boundary. That is now gone.

So instead of busing the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to ASFS and the kids who can walk to ASFS to Taylor, bus the Roslyn and Courthouse kids to Taylor and let the kids who can actually walk to ASFS walk to it.

No swap key and ASFS. Rosslyn TO Taylor is a long arse ride

+1

It's a better alignment of schools with population distribution. The Key location would get a TON of walkers.


As a Rosslyn parent, I would love this solution. Maybe if we get matching shirts?

Since ASFS is a pretty old and ugly school, why not use the Hayes Park property across the street to build a brand new 3 story elementary school so kids from Key district and kids who can walk to ASFS can go there. No disruption since kids can still use the ASFS School. Then repurpose the ASFS school and raze it to rebuild Hayes Park.

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Yea right they would close a park to build a school. Its expensive and no way that community would be ok with losing a park for a year or two. And Key is more centrally located anyways, building a bigger school there doesn't solve the problem that there isn't a school within 2 miles of Rosslyn other than Key. And Rosslyn is supposed to be car free according to the parking zoning -- new development is going to only have one parking spot for every 5 housing units. If the county board hadn't passed the restrictive parking for courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn, I think you could get away with saying that those kids can ride a bus to taylor or jamestown. But if you remove the walkable school at this point by making it an option school, you basically say that courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn isn't supposed to own a car but kids can't walk to school, therefore families shouldn't live there. Its at complete odds with one another.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea right they would close a park to build a school. Its expensive and no way that community would be ok with losing a park for a year or two. And Key is more centrally located anyways, building a bigger school there doesn't solve the problem that there isn't a school within 2 miles of Rosslyn other than Key. And Rosslyn is supposed to be car free according to the parking zoning -- new development is going to only have one parking spot for every 5 housing units. If the county board hadn't passed the restrictive parking for courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn, I think you could get away with saying that those kids can ride a bus to taylor or jamestown. But if you remove the walkable school at this point by making it an option school, you basically say that courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn isn't supposed to own a car but kids can't walk to school, therefore families shouldn't live there. Its at complete odds with one another.

I agree. Also, ASFS currently has 510 kids from the Key zone based on the transfer report compared to the 280 Key zone kids who actually go to Key. I think that shows a clear demand for a neighborhood school over immersion even before Key changing to all lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea right they would close a park to build a school. Its expensive and no way that community would be ok with losing a park for a year or two. And Key is more centrally located anyways, building a bigger school there doesn't solve the problem that there isn't a school within 2 miles of Rosslyn other than Key. And Rosslyn is supposed to be car free according to the parking zoning -- new development is going to only have one parking spot for every 5 housing units. If the county board hadn't passed the restrictive parking for courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn, I think you could get away with saying that those kids can ride a bus to taylor or jamestown. But if you remove the walkable school at this point by making it an option school, you basically say that courthouse/clarendon/rosslyn isn't supposed to own a car but kids can't walk to school, therefore families shouldn't live there. Its at complete odds with one another.

I agree. Also, ASFS currently has 510 kids from the Key zone based on the transfer report compared to the 280 Key zone kids who actually go to Key. I think that shows a clear demand for a neighborhood school over immersion even before Key changing to all lottery.

No, it shows a clear preference for the school with higher test scores. It's not some mystery. If it were between Spanish Immersion and a neighborhood GS 3 school, Key would've been as overcrowded as Claremont and ASFS would've been under enrolled.

I have no dog in this fight, but we don't have enough money or time for perfect solutions everywhere. It's going to have to be "good enough." If you bought a house in an area without a walkable school, you have no right to demand one be created. Put your kids on the bus, they'll live. And yes, they don't want families in the R-B corridor. Duh, you were all supposed to move out to a McMansion in Herndon before Kindergarten.

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No way they should "swap" Key with ASFS. The whole idea is to make choice schools more central, because they're serving kids from a larger geographic footprint. That needs to be a priority over whatever that one neighborhood is clamoring for now. Moving Immersion deeper into N Arlington doesn't cut it, especially since the Immersion "split" is designed to be East/West, not North/South.