USNWR College Rankings 2018 - Reactions?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

I think Forbes does this. Check it out. Many names from the USNWR list, but some surprising other names as well.

Starting salaries are irrelevant - start comparing about 10 years out. In my school. engineers made at least 50% more than anyone else at graduation. That changed a great deal over time.

B.S. These are the best reflection of the college you went to. After that it is up to the individual to get promoted based on individual effort, talent, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bowdoin higher than Pomona? Wtf?

what's the problem? Seems about right to me.

Lol

lol what? Sounds correct to me. Any specifics suggesting otherwise????

Yes, actually- for the objective factors US News accounts for, Pomona has a higher grad rate, a higher retention rate, higher test scores (despite Bowdoin being test optional), smaller class sizes, a lower student to faculty ratio, a larger endowment/financial resources, a lower acceptance rate, higher professor salaries, and a larger percent of students in the top 10% of their HS class.

Bowdoin has a higher alumni giving rate, better counselor ratings, a higher percent of full time faculty, and a higher percent of faculty with terminal degrees.

Not going to argue which is better overall, but there are many factors in which Pomona excels. US News isn't favorable toward Pomona for a number of reasons- peer assessment means favoring of Northeast schools which are more familiar with one another than one thousands of miles away, low chance to get over-performance points with a high actual graduation rate, and a penalty of professor salaries due to the high cost of California. Also, Pomona is in the unfortunate position to have a mediocre state public school with a similar name- Cal Poly Pomona. Cal Poly Pomona is a huge school and far more well-known. Counselors rated Pomona 13th overall, below both neighboring schools Claremont McKenna and Harvey Mudd, and the only explanation can be that they thought of Cal Poly.

In other words- read the methodology and contextualize the performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

That would be too logical and accurate. It would be a threat to the whole subjective system of goofballs.

Here's SAT scores (a couple years old)
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1789717-ranking-by-selectivity-for-help-picking-reaches-matches-safeties-p1.html

Here's selectivity:
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1944094-college-admissions-statistics-class-of-2021-early-and-regular-decision-acceptance-rates-p64.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

I think Forbes does this. Check it out. Many names from the USNWR list, but some surprising other names as well.

Starting salaries are irrelevant - start comparing about 10 years out. In my school. engineers made at least 50% more than anyone else at graduation. That changed a great deal over time.

B.S. These are the best reflection of the college you went to. After that it is up to the individual to get promoted based on individual effort, talent, etc.

Not B.S. - I guarantee you the average computer science from Maryland has a higher starting salary upon graduation than the average history major from Harvard. The degree is more important than the institution at graduation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bowdoin higher than Pomona? Wtf?

what's the problem? Seems about right to me.

Lol

lol what? Sounds correct to me. Any specifics suggesting otherwise????

Yes, actually- for the objective factors US News accounts for, Pomona has a higher grad rate, a higher retention rate, higher test scores (despite Bowdoin being test optional), smaller class sizes, a lower student to faculty ratio, a larger endowment/financial resources, a lower acceptance rate, higher professor salaries, and a larger percent of students in the top 10% of their HS class.

Bowdoin has a higher alumni giving rate, better counselor ratings, a higher percent of full time faculty, and a higher percent of faculty with terminal degrees.

Not going to argue which is better overall, but there are many factors in which Pomona excels. US News isn't favorable toward Pomona for a number of reasons- peer assessment means favoring of Northeast schools which are more familiar with one another than one thousands of miles away, low chance to get over-performance points with a high actual graduation rate, and a penalty of professor salaries due to the high cost of California. Also, Pomona is in the unfortunate position to have a mediocre state public school with a similar name- Cal Poly Pomona. Cal Poly Pomona is a huge school and far more well-known. Counselors rated Pomona 13th overall, below both neighboring schools Claremont McKenna and Harvey Mudd, and the only explanation can be that they thought of Cal Poly.

In other words- read the methodology and contextualize the performance.

well they are only 1 spot apart (Bowdoin tied for 3d with three others, Pomona tied for 6th).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

I think Forbes does this. Check it out. Many names from the USNWR list, but some surprising other names as well.

Starting salaries are irrelevant - start comparing about 10 years out. In my school. engineers made at least 50% more than anyone else at graduation. That changed a great deal over time.

B.S. These are the best reflection of the college you went to. After that it is up to the individual to get promoted based on individual effort, talent, etc.

Not B.S. - I guarantee you the average computer science from Maryland has a higher starting salary upon graduation than the average history major from Harvard. The degree is more important than the institution at graduation.

does Harvard have computer science majors? If not, you're comparing apples and oranges

[Anonymous]

Salary data would favor the schools in the major metro regions (SF Bay, NYC, Boston).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Salary data would favor the schools in the major metro regions (SF Bay, NYC, Boston).

So. Those areas are higher educated . Plus there's two other factors SAT scores and selectivity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

I think Forbes does this. Check it out. Many names from the USNWR list, but some surprising other names as well.

Starting salaries are irrelevant - start comparing about 10 years out. In my school. engineers made at least 50% more than anyone else at graduation. That changed a great deal over time.

B.S. These are the best reflection of the college you went to. After that it is up to the individual to get promoted based on individual effort, talent, etc.

Not B.S. - I guarantee you the average computer science from Maryland has a higher starting salary upon graduation than the average history major from Harvard. The degree is more important than the institution at graduation.

does Harvard have computer science majors? If not, you're comparing apples and oranges

Huh? She's comparing degrees, specifically comp sci vs. history.

[Anonymous]

USNWR has made a generation of parents and students crazy and Mortimer Zuckerman and his cohorts are laughing all the way to the bank. All they had to do was dangle the prestige carrot in front of the general public and they win even knowing the system is rigged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Salary data would favor the schools in the major metro regions (SF Bay, NYC, Boston).

So. Those areas are higher educated . Plus there's two other factors SAT scores and selectivity.

You could probably knock out selectivity. SAT scores are basically the same thing .

SAT scores and starting salary would be the smartest most demanding schools.

[Anonymous]

PayScale updated its salary report: https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/all-bachelors

If one wants a ranking that accounts for similar factors as US News as well as salary data, look into the Forbes ranking. They updated their methodology this year to heavily weigh salary data and took out the questionable aspects like Rate My Professors. Unlike US News, they also look into the schools which lead for students winning competitive fellowships, and the schools which produce the most leaders. Unsurprisingly, HYPSM are at the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see a ranking of schools based on SAT scores, selectivity and starting salaries of students .


Outside the top ten I bet the list would be vastly different. Much more objective and accurate.

I think Forbes does this. Check it out. Many names from the USNWR list, but some surprising other names as well.

Starting salaries are irrelevant - start comparing about 10 years out. In my school. engineers made at least 50% more than anyone else at graduation. That changed a great deal over time.

B.S. These are the best reflection of the college you went to. After that it is up to the individual to get promoted based on individual effort, talent, etc.

Not B.S. - I guarantee you the average computer science from Maryland has a higher starting salary upon graduation than the average history major from Harvard. The degree is more important than the institution at graduation.

does Harvard have computer science majors? If not, you're comparing apples and oranges

Huh? She's comparing degrees, specifically comp sci vs. history.

The thread is about college rankings. Petrochemical engineer majors probably earn the most. So what?

[Anonymous]

Colleges with the highest salaries after graduation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifereum/2016/03/29/colleges-with-highest-salaries-after-graduation/#5374215c2e95

[Anonymous]

Another

http://www.businessinsider.com/colleges-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2015-8/#2-harvey-mudd-college-49