USNWR College Rankings 2018 - Reactions?

[Anonymous]

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Meh, there are plenty of music festivals in the boonies, like Firefly. Gossip Girl and Sex in the City were earlier generations--our teens aren't marathon watching them. OK, maybe How I Met Your Mother and Big Little Lies, but Parks and Rec, Game of Thrones (for those whose parents let them), and House of Cards are just as big. Possibly your teens are watching Sex and the City, but mine and the ones I know aren't. So I'd be wary of generalizing.

My DD is 17 and her friends are addicted to Friends (NYC) and Gossip Girl (NYC). TV shows, social media, tumblr/instagram accounts, young celebrity social media has kids craving the city lifestyle.

Your kid's maybe, but not mine and I wouldn't say all kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

USNWR is not real. USNWR just makes money off of people. There are hundreds of great schools out there.

[Anonymous]

DC is at UChicago now and the education/opportunities she’s getting there are comparable to what I experienced as an undergrad at Harvard. Many of my grad school profs (at a different HYPS) were UofC PhDs. Chicago has been a great school for a long time — for a variety of reasons, undergrad rep is finally catching back up to that of its grad programs/faculty/resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is at UChicago now and the education/opportunities she’s getting there are comparable to what I experienced as an undergrad at Harvard. Many of my grad school profs (at a different HYPS) were UofC PhDs. Chicago has been a great school for a long time — for a variety of reasons, undergrad rep is finally catching back up to that of its grad programs/faculty/resources.

Undergrad at Harvard is terrible. You're just left to fend for yourself. It doesn't take much to match the undergrad experience at Harvard - the only thing they have going for them is the students.

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Not my experience. I had close relationships with faculty from freshman year on at Harvard and am still in touch with some of them 30-plus years later. It was an incredibly interesting and exciting place to go to college. And I valued faculty, libraries, museums, lecture and film series more than my classmates (although I did marry one, LOL).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

UChicago has always been known as one of the great schools by the highly educated. Their popular reputation is just catching up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

UChicago has always been known as one of the great schools by the highly educated. Their popular reputation is just catching up.

The popular reputation of Chicago for undergrad is catching up to being a great top school because they are modeling themselves more like an ivy as opposed to a place where fun goes to die.
Chicago however is not and has never been considered on the level of HYPSM. Chicago's standing as a peer of the lower top schools as opposed to HYPSM is well-established.

[Anonymous]

Let me guess..either you or your kid goes to hypsm and you love the status quo. The relative reputation of schools will shift back and forth. Stanford only rose recently and was nothing compared to Chicago in a prior period not too long ago. The addition of MIT was also relatively recent as our society has shifted from the industrial to the Information Age. Harvard and Yale are great humanities schools but their STEM is there basically to support rounding out a humanities curriculum. UChicago has a world class undergraduate math department, math intensive economids and their computer science program is well grounded in AI and systems with more to come from the incoming Berkeley faculty. its a very exciting time for the school. it really doesn't mater what you think about the relative value of other schools. The kids are getting a great education there and I would argue comparable for humanities and better for STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

UChicago has always been known as one of the great schools by the highly educated. Their popular reputation is just catching up.

The popular reputation of Chicago for undergrad is catching up to being a great top school because they are modeling themselves more like an ivy as opposed to a place where fun goes to die.
Chicago however is not and has never been considered on the level of HYPSM. Chicago's standing as a peer of the lower top schools as opposed to HYPSM is well-established.

Do you ever stop and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with parsing college rankings? Presumably you graduated many years ago and yet here you are on some third tier anonymous forum arguing about what colleges are at the top of the top 10 versus which are at the bottom? At this point in your life this conversation should be meaningless and yet here you are. Invest some of your apparently ample spare time in a process of self-investigation to understand what has gone wrong in your life.

[Anonymous]

No the C is CalTech! ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me guess..either you or your kid goes to hypsm and you love the status quo. The relative reputation of schools will shift back and forth. Stanford only rose recently and was nothing compared to Chicago in a prior period not too long ago. The addition of MIT was also relatively recent as our society has shifted from the industrial to the Information Age. Harvard and Yale are great humanities schools but their STEM is there basically to support rounding out a humanities curriculum. UChicago has a world class undergraduate math department, math intensive economids and their computer science program is well grounded in AI and systems with more to come from the incoming Berkeley faculty. its a very exciting time for the school. it really doesn't mater what you think about the relative value of other schools. The kids are getting a great education there and I would argue comparable for humanities and better for STEM.

Stanford was pretty much part of HYPSM before, but it has risen ahead of Yale and Princeton in the past decade due to the rise of STEM and specifically tech. MIT is anything but a recent addition, it has been at the very forefront of engineering and science since forever. Also it is laughable to say that Harvard is just a great humanities school. Their social and natural science departments are practically second to none. Plus the Harvard name is unmatched in terms of prestige. I agree that their engineering lags though.

The status quo is there for a reason. Chicago is an excellent school but it lacks the prestige/name recognition and frankly the strength of HYPSM. It is not considered at the very very top of any field. A common characteristic of all the HYPSM schools is that each one is the undisputed top school in at least one field. Another is that their name is very prestigious and instantly recognized by most people. Another yet is that they have way more resources than the other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago's rise is stupid and bothers me

Not to worry. It is not real, and most people recognize that. Chicago is a school comparable to the lower top 10 or so schools like Columbia, Penn etc, but it will not be suddenly considered on par with HYPSM just cause they have been gaming the USNews rankings like crazy.

UChicago has always been known as one of the great schools by the highly educated. Their popular reputation is just catching up.

The popular reputation of Chicago for undergrad is catching up to being a great top school because they are modeling themselves more like an ivy as opposed to a place where fun goes to die.
Chicago however is not and has never been considered on the level of HYPSM. Chicago's standing as a peer of the lower top schools as opposed to HYPSM is well-established.

Do you ever stop and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with parsing college rankings? Presumably you graduated many years ago and yet here you are on some third tier anonymous forum arguing about what colleges are at the top of the top 10 versus which are at the bottom? At this point in your life this conversation should be meaningless and yet here you are. Invest some of your apparently ample spare time in a process of self-investigation to understand what has gone wrong in your life.

oh my...personal attacks...someone is butthurt I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me guess..either you or your kid goes to hypsm and you love the status quo. The relative reputation of schools will shift back and forth. Stanford only rose recently and was nothing compared to Chicago in a prior period not too long ago. The addition of MIT was also relatively recent as our society has shifted from the industrial to the Information Age. Harvard and Yale are great humanities schools but their STEM is there basically to support rounding out a humanities curriculum. UChicago has a world class undergraduate math department, math intensive economids and their computer science program is well grounded in AI and systems with more to come from the incoming Berkeley faculty. its a very exciting time for the school. it really doesn't mater what you think about the relative value of other schools. The kids are getting a great education there and I would argue comparable for humanities and better for STEM.

Stanford was pretty much part of HYPSM before, but it has risen ahead of Yale and Princeton in the past decade due to the rise of STEM and specifically tech. MIT is anything but a recent addition, it has been at the very forefront of engineering and science since forever. Also it is laughable to say that Harvard is just a great humanities school. Their social and natural science departments are practically second to none. Plus the Harvard name is unmatched in terms of prestige. I agree that their engineering lags though.

The status quo is there for a reason. Chicago is an excellent school but it lacks the prestige/name recognition and frankly the strength of HYPSM. It is not considered at the very very top of any field. A common characteristic of all the HYPSM schools is that each one is the undisputed top school in at least one field. Another is that their name is very prestigious and instantly recognized by most people. Another yet is that they have way more resources than the other schools.

This is what's bothering you about the rise in rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The status quo is there for a reason. Chicago is an excellent school but it lacks the prestige/name recognition and frankly the strength of HYPSM. It is not considered at very very top of any field. A common characteristic of all the HYPSM schools is that each one is the undisputed top school in at least one field. Another is that their name is very prestigious and instantly recognized by most people. Another yet is that they have way more resources than the other schools.

You tried to make this exact same point on another thread, in connection with your ceaseless argument that the "C" in the beast called HYPSMC is actually CalTech and not UChicago or Columbia. A number of posters shot you down with specific examples where Columbia and UChicago were at the very top of their fields, better than HYP. Did you not read those posts?


I have zero connection tomUChocago, but in my profession, Economics, people are hard-put to declare a "top program" among UChicago, Harvard and Stanford.