TJHSST Class of 2017 College Destination List

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny. I didn’t go to TJ. And I still managed to get into both W&M and UVA.

W&M and to a lesser extent UVA are considered safety schools by many at TJ. 75% of those who apply get into W&M and roughly 60% get into UVA.[/quote

Those were my safety shcools too. And I did manage to do wonderfully at my chosen school. And I didn’t have the intense pressures from TJ. Is it worth it? Will anyone admit if it wasn’t?

No one is putting down other HS experiences. There is no one right path in life. TJ is a blessing to many but a curse to others. TJ doesn't have a monopoly on high achievers--far from it. But the kids who thrive at TJ and enjoy the experience and the cohort are extremely well prepared for college wherever they may go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny. I didn’t go to TJ. And I still managed to get into both W&M and UVA.

W&M and to a lesser extent UVA are considered safety schools by many at TJ. 75% of those who apply get into W&M and roughly 60% get into UVA.[/quote}

Those were my safety shcools too. And I did manage to do wonderfully at my chosen school. And I didn’t have the intense pressures from TJ. Is it worth it? Will anyone admit if it wasn’t?

"A swallow does not a summer make". You were probably one of a couple of such kids coming out of base. For someone like you, where you went to school wouldn't matter. However, a majority of the kids at base are not like you. To them UVA and W&M are reach schools while for a substantial number of TJ kids those are backup schools.. For example, last year 191 kids were accepted from TJ into UVA and 62 attended. 129 chose not to go because obviously they went somewhere better. Show me equivalent numbers for any base school. Most base schools will not even have 129 admits, let alone 129 kids choosing not to go to UVA.

[Anonymous]

Parents whose kids did not go to TJ are underwhelmed by this list.

Ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny. I didn’t go to TJ. And I still managed to get into both W&M and UVA.

W&M and to a lesser extent UVA are considered safety schools by many at TJ. 75% of those who apply get into W&M and roughly 60% get into UVA.[/quote}

Those were my safety shcools too. And I did manage to do wonderfully at my chosen school. And I didn’t have the intense pressures from TJ. Is it worth it? Will anyone admit if it wasn’t?

"A swallow does not a summer make". You were probably one of a couple of such kids coming out of base. For someone like you, where you went to school wouldn't matter. However, a majority of the kids at base are not like you. To them UVA and W&M are reach schools while for a substantial number of TJ kids those are backup schools.. For example, last year 191 kids were accepted from TJ into UVA and 62 attended. 129 chose not to go because obviously they went somewhere better. Show me equivalent numbers for any base school. Most base schools will not even have 129 admits, let alone 129 kids choosing not to go to UVA.

TJ also leads in the number of students rejected by UVA ( I think around 160 ? ). Please please don't be a jerk comparing results from a selective magnet with an open admissions base school, especially when the TJ students are removed from those schools. Think about it.

[Anonymous]

This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny. I didn’t go to TJ. And I still managed to get into both W&M and UVA.

W&M and to a lesser extent UVA are considered safety schools by many at TJ. 75% of those who apply get into W&M and roughly 60% get into UVA.[/quote}

Those were my safety shcools too. And I did manage to do wonderfully at my chosen school. And I didn’t have the intense pressures from TJ. Is it worth it? Will anyone admit if it wasn’t?

"A swallow does not a summer make". You were probably one of a couple of such kids coming out of base. For someone like you, where you went to school wouldn't matter. However, a majority of the kids at base are not like you. To them UVA and W&M are reach schools while for a substantial number of TJ kids those are backup schools.. For example, last year 191 kids were accepted from TJ into UVA and 62 attended. 129 chose not to go because obviously they went somewhere better. Show me equivalent numbers for any base school. Most base schools will not even have 129 admits, let alone 129 kids choosing not to go to UVA.

TJ also leads in the number of students rejected by UVA ( I think around 160 ? ). Please please don't be a jerk comparing results from a selective magnet with an open admissions base school, especially when the TJ students are removed from those schools. Think about it.

So quoting a single instance of a base HS kid going to UVA as a reason to put down TJ is not being a jerk but refuting that claim is? Get a life! Of course there will be rejections. What do you expect? No university will take every applicant or a substantial percentage from the same school. All I was trying to do was respond to the question "Is TJ worth it?" The answer is "Yes" for the most part. For some - Exceptional kids who desire a less stressful HS experience and low HYP ambitions and for kids in the bottom 1/3 of TJ - it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I'd look to a Madison or Oakton parent or someone deciding on "whether to TJ or not" to dig up that info. and do that analysis for base schools. I'm sure the info. is available. For parents with kids in TJ, it's kinda moot.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

The reason I included UVA/W&M and similar in my "top" school list is that those are reach schools that most of the top 5-10% in base schools end up going to. If a kid had not gone to TJ, they would potentially have ended up at one of those. The point of my analysis was that as long as you are in the top 50% of TJ, you could go to a school that is the equivalent of a UVA/W&M or BETTER. Personally, I'd be happy if my kid gets into UVA or W&M after TJ. Good-enough to great in-state education at a low cost. Yes, DC could have done the same from base but now has the ability to finish early, do a double major in 4 years, etc..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

I was using the rankings for engineering, but a list for science may be similar. The schools listed above are all in the “top 15” in Engineering (See — https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)

To be more precise one could look at the top 8 and the next 8 but, at the undergraduate level the quality is fairly indistinguishable in this cohort (at the graduate level, there could be a finer stratification). Clearly, UVa and W&M are further away and while they may be safety backups, ending up in W&M from a highly charged STEM magnet school seems totally anti-climactic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

I was using the rankings for engineering, but a list for science may be similar. The schools listed above are all in the “top 15” in Engineering (See — https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)

To be more precise one could look at the top 8 and the next 8 but, at the undergraduate level the quality is fairly indistinguishable in this cohort (at the graduate level, there could be a finer stratification). Clearly, UVa and W&M are further away and while they may be safety backups, ending up in W&M from a highly charged STEM magnet school seems totally anti-climactic.

I looked at the top 15. Total attending is 141. That's 33% for a class of 430 which is still good. Some of these schools have very low interest from TJ - Attendance numbers for some of the top 15 eng schools - Northwestern (0), UT Austin(1), Purdue (7), Wisconsin (3), A&M (2). Virginia Tech (ranked 14th in engineering) accepted 78% of the TJ applicants but only 42 (23% of those accepted) chose to attend. Other schools with brand names have a higher attendance rate (UVA 32%; CMU 42%, MIT 80%, etc). Your data point makes the case for strengthening my story in that, more schools (such as Virginia Tech) should be added to my list of "top" schools because they have their merits (i.e. top ranked Engineering school).

IMHO, overall brand name is more of a draw than department specific rankings. They are probably just another reason to pick a school but probably not the primary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

I was using the rankings for engineering, but a list for science may be similar. The schools listed above are all in the “top 15” in Engineering (See — https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)

To be more precise one could look at the top 8 and the next 8 but, at the undergraduate level the quality is fairly indistinguishable in this cohort (at the graduate level, there could be a finer stratification). Clearly, UVa and W&M are further away and while they may be safety backups, ending up in W&M from a highly charged STEM magnet school seems totally anti-climactic.

I looked at the top 15. Total attending is 141. That's 33% for a class of 430 which is still good. Some of these schools have very low interest from TJ - Attendance numbers for some of the top 15 eng schools - Northwestern (0), UT Austin(1), Purdue (7), Wisconsin (3), A&M (2). Virginia Tech (ranked 14th in engineering) accepted 78% of the TJ applicants but only 42 (23% of those accepted) chose to attend. Other schools with brand names have a higher attendance rate (UVA 32%; CMU 42%, MIT 80%, etc). Your data point makes the case for strengthening my story in that, more schools (such as Virginia Tech) should be added to my list of "top" schools because they have their merits (i.e. top ranked Engineering school).

IMHO, overall brand name is more of a draw than department specific rankings. They are probably just another reason to pick a school but probably not the primary.

Thanks for the updated numbers. That's quite telling -- only about a third of the TJ grads end up in the truly top engineering schools. That's not very high considering that TJ has presumably chosen the best of the best in STEM interest and aptitude in their admissions process and honed their STEM interests/skills further in the 4 years. For a typical high school, I would think that the percentage going to the top 15 should be statistically about 15% (considering about 100 engineering schools) of the graduating population from that school, assuming even distribution from across the nation and assuming the collective capacity of the schools to take in that many students. However, for a school like TJ, I would expect that 2/3 or more of the graduates each year should end up in the top echelon of engineering schools. As it stands now, a majority (about two-thirds) of the STEM enthusiasts picked and trained by TJ each year do not end up in the STEM-rich schools. It will be interesting to know the reasons -- are they not competitive enough? do they not aim high enough? is it due to financial (in-state tuition vs out-of-state/private school tuition) considerations (even so, such large numbers in W&M?)? is it a function of the school counselors who don't adequately motivate and advise the students? is it just perpetuating the past legacy of schools applied to/attended by TJ graduates? Others?

[Anonymous]

Exactly. If you were going to end up at UVA or W&M anyway, why go to TJ? Those schools, even though they may be safety schools for TJ kids, are not STEM schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. If you were going to end up at UVA or W&M anyway, why go to TJ? Those schools, even though they may be safety schools for TJ kids, are not STEM schools.

Because you end up in these schools much better prepared. That is important if you are competing for pre-professional programs (premed/business) or admission to STEM grad programs in the top ranked universities as that requires getting high undergrad GPA with lots of time spent of relevant extracurricular activities.

It may not mater if the student is planning to get a degree in the fields like arts, education, IR etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

I was using the rankings for engineering, but a list for science may be similar. The schools listed above are all in the “top 15” in Engineering (See — https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)

To be more precise one could look at the top 8 and the next 8 but, at the undergraduate level the quality is fairly indistinguishable in this cohort (at the graduate level, there could be a finer stratification). Clearly, UVa and W&M are further away and while they may be safety backups, ending up in W&M from a highly charged STEM magnet school seems totally anti-climactic.

I looked at the top 15. Total attending is 141. That's 33% for a class of 430 which is still good. Some of these schools have very low interest from TJ - Attendance numbers for some of the top 15 eng schools - Northwestern (0), UT Austin(1), Purdue (7), Wisconsin (3), A&M (2). Virginia Tech (ranked 14th in engineering) accepted 78% of the TJ applicants but only 42 (23% of those accepted) chose to attend. Other schools with brand names have a higher attendance rate (UVA 32%; CMU 42%, MIT 80%, etc). Your data point makes the case for strengthening my story in that, more schools (such as Virginia Tech) should be added to my list of "top" schools because they have their merits (i.e. top ranked Engineering school).

IMHO, overall brand name is more of a draw than department specific rankings. They are probably just another reason to pick a school but probably not the primary.

Thanks for the updated numbers. That's quite telling -- only about a third of the TJ grads end up in the truly top engineering schools. That's not very high considering that TJ has presumably chosen the best of the best in STEM interest and aptitude in their admissions process and honed their STEM interests/skills further in the 4 years. For a typical high school, I would think that the percentage going to the top 15 should be statistically about 15% (considering about 100 engineering schools) of the graduating population from that school, assuming even distribution from across the nation and assuming the collective capacity of the schools to take in that many students. However, for a school like TJ, I would expect that 2/3 or more of the graduates each year should end up in the top echelon of engineering schools. As it stands now, a majority (about two-thirds) of the STEM enthusiasts picked and trained by TJ each year do not end up in the STEM-rich schools. It will be interesting to know the reasons -- are they not competitive enough? do they not aim high enough? is it due to financial (in-state tuition vs out-of-state/private school tuition) considerations (even so, such large numbers in W&M?)? is it a function of the school counselors who don't adequately motivate and advise the students? is it just perpetuating the past legacy of schools applied to/attended by TJ graduates? Others?

My TJ kid did do a STEM subject in college but didn't want to go into an engineering school/department, where they typically restrict the choice of electives. You can major in math, computer science, physics, chemistry, biology etc in the Arts and Sciences school at many colleges, and explore other interests also fostered at TJ like history, foreign languages and the arts.Those wanting to pursue a medical career aren't going to apply to engineering. Interest in STEM does not mean 100% engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is interesting, but for a true perspective, are there similar college application/admission stats available for other area high schools, such as Oakton, James Madison, Chantilly, McLean and Marshall? Could we list links to sources or at least compile anecdotal data for these schools over the past 3 yrs or so?

Also, it is important to distinguish based on majors when identifying “top” schools. For example, in Engineering, a school such as W&M or UVa is not in the same league as MIT, Stanford, CMU, Berkeley, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Michigan or Cornell.

I agree with your point about what's "top" vs not. It is subjective as well. In your list, VA Tech, Georgia Tech and Illinois are not in the same league as the rest (MIT, etc). I did not include VA tech in my list of "Top" schools. Again, subjective.

I was using the rankings for engineering, but a list for science may be similar. The schools listed above are all in the “top 15” in Engineering (See — https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)

To be more precise one could look at the top 8 and the next 8 but, at the undergraduate level the quality is fairly indistinguishable in this cohort (at the graduate level, there could be a finer stratification). Clearly, UVa and W&M are further away and while they may be safety backups, ending up in W&M from a highly charged STEM magnet school seems totally anti-climactic.

I looked at the top 15. Total attending is 141. That's 33% for a class of 430 which is still good. Some of these schools have very low interest from TJ - Attendance numbers for some of the top 15 eng schools - Northwestern (0), UT Austin(1), Purdue (7), Wisconsin (3), A&M (2). Virginia Tech (ranked 14th in engineering) accepted 78% of the TJ applicants but only 42 (23% of those accepted) chose to attend. Other schools with brand names have a higher attendance rate (UVA 32%; CMU 42%, MIT 80%, etc). Your data point makes the case for strengthening my story in that, more schools (such as Virginia Tech) should be added to my list of "top" schools because they have their merits (i.e. top ranked Engineering school).

IMHO, overall brand name is more of a draw than department specific rankings. They are probably just another reason to pick a school but probably not the primary.

Thanks for the updated numbers. That's quite telling -- only about a third of the TJ grads end up in the truly top engineering schools. That's not very high considering that TJ has presumably chosen the best of the best in STEM interest and aptitude in their admissions process and honed their STEM interests/skills further in the 4 years. For a typical high school, I would think that the percentage going to the top 15 should be statistically about 15% (considering about 100 engineering schools) of the graduating population from that school, assuming even distribution from across the nation and assuming the collective capacity of the schools to take in that many students. However, for a school like TJ, I would expect that 2/3 or more of the graduates each year should end up in the top echelon of engineering schools. As it stands now, a majority (about two-thirds) of the STEM enthusiasts picked and trained by TJ each year do not end up in the STEM-rich schools. It will be interesting to know the reasons -- are they not competitive enough? do they not aim high enough? is it due to financial (in-state tuition vs out-of-state/private school tuition) considerations (even so, such large numbers in W&M?)? is it a function of the school counselors who don't adequately motivate and advise the students? is it just perpetuating the past legacy of schools applied to/attended by TJ graduates? Others?

My TJ kid did do a STEM subject in college but didn't want to go into an engineering school/department, where they typically restrict the choice of electives. You can major in math, computer science, physics, chemistry, biology etc in the Arts and Sciences school at many colleges, and explore other interests also fostered at TJ like history, foreign languages and the arts.Those wanting to pursue a medical career aren't going to apply to engineering. Interest in STEM does not mean 100% engineering.

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It is pointless to look at TJ kids only attending top engineering schools and then conclude 1/3rd is a poor number (it is not) for a STEM focused school. First, STEM is not engineering, science is a major part of it. My TJ kid is not interested in engineering or computer science, has been clear about following biology / life sciences since middle school, and the reason he wanted to go to TJ is to advance this cause by taking advanced classes in HS that help learning more, and almost certainly will not end up in a top engineering school by choice. That doesn't mean that he isn't good at engineering and CS, did very well in D&T and CS / AP CS, he is just not interesting in pursuing it as a career. Also there are some TJ kids who are super good in engineering and compared to those kids my TJ kid even while doing very well may not be as good as them just because that is not his interest or talent is in. You have to consider all other science fields to get a true understanding.

[Anonymous]

I don't necessarily think TJ prepares students for UVA and W&M better than say typical AP classes in a base school. I think students from both high schools can do equally well. Again, I'm not sure I see a clear advantage of having gone to TJ if both kids end up at the same college and do fine. Seems to me TJ just causes a lot of stress and extra work before the real work begins in college. Definitely not how I would have wanted to spend my high school years.