Do Penn State grads/current students carry a stigma?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are talking about the actions of one guy. Sandusky. A few more if you allow yourself to believe the conspiracy theory - but let's say it's true for the sake of argument.

There are a million living Penn State graduates in the world. You are focused on four. There are successful Penn State graduates in every walk of life and every profession. They are not all diehard football apologists.

This thread was about a stigma - there is no stigma at all in the professional world. None. Nobody is getting passed over for a job or fired from their job because the are a Penn State graduate. In fact it is quite the opposite. Penn State graduates thrive, just like many other schools - they aren't living with their heads in the sand over a controversy that doesn't involve them. The Wall Street Journal has, twice in the past five years listed Penn State as the school where recruiters would most like to go for talent. The Penn State brand is about much more than football.

Penn State overcame a scandal that would have cratered most schools and it is thriving - stronger than ever.

One guy? What about all the others who tried to cover up his actions?

I have no connection to PSU, but there were only a handful of people even indirectly involved in the abuse. Yes, there is an unhealthy, insular, fratty, football-obsessed culture at PSU, but that is true at dozens of schools.

Don't be too eager to cast stones. You never know when your own alma mater might suddenly become embroiled in a big scandal. I went to a school that had its own (not quite as embarrassing) scandal, so I am perhaps more aware that we all live in glass houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: there were only a handful of people even indirectly involved in the abuse.

This would be a better line if one of them weren't the president of the school and the other didn't have a statue of himself (at the time) on campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are talking about the actions of one guy. Sandusky. A few more if you allow yourself to believe the conspiracy theory - but let's say it's true for the sake of argument.

There are a million living Penn State graduates in the world. You are focused on four. There are successful Penn State graduates in every walk of life and every profession. They are not all diehard football apologists.

This thread was about a stigma - there is no stigma at all in the professional world. None. Nobody is getting passed over for a job or fired from their job because the are a Penn State graduate. In fact it is quite the opposite. Penn State graduates thrive, just like many other schools - they aren't living with their heads in the sand over a controversy that doesn't involve them. The Wall Street Journal has, twice in the past five years listed Penn State as the school where recruiters would most like to go for talent. The Penn State brand is about much more than football.

Penn State overcame a scandal that would have cratered most schools and it is thriving - stronger than ever.

One guy? What about all the others who tried to cover up his actions?

I have no connection to PSU, but there were only a handful of people even indirectly involved in the abuse. Yes, there is an unhealthy, insular, fratty, football-obsessed culture at PSU, but that is true at dozens of schools.

Don't be too eager to cast stones. You never know when your own alma mater might suddenly become embroiled in a big scandal. I went to a school that had its own (not quite as embarrassing) scandal, so I am perhaps more aware that we all live in glass houses.

This was the worst sports scandal in the history of the country. The decades of cover up and the awful truth in the football team house all while having the mantra "success with honor ". The program and school community foolishly bought in to a hilarious myth that it did things the right way, better than how other schools ran their programs. When the horrible truth came out the school circled the wagons. Vigils , riots for JoePa being fired (no riots for decades of minors raped in the team showers). Anything ... ANYTHING not to miss a whole football game. Football first ... University second that's the priority. Any normal community or institution run by normal people would have shut down the program for 2 years in order to readjust priorities and sanitize the stench. It would have earned respect and sympathy because it would recognize victimization of the community but also the self reflection that the community bought into a rediculous lie and were too invested in the lie to do the right thing for decades. Instead the school has clung to the lie unable to let go and self deluded and addicted to the lie. It's a spectacle of concentrated human weakness and failure .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the most accurate breakdown of Ped State ever made

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDn3kWTGbMU

That was excellent.....thanks.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League. Founded in 1740 by Benjamin Franklin. They'll get past this Sandusky thing.

False. You are talking about the wrong school.

Another dumbshit who doesn't know Penn State and UPenn are two different schools.

Not quite. UPenn is the Philadelphia campus. Penn State what most people call the College Station campus, although there are also branches in Erie, Altoona, Brandywine, etc.

You can not be serious?

Clearly, one of the dozens of things Penn State folks have a chip on their shoulder about is Penn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League. Founded in 1740 by Benjamin Franklin. They'll get past this Sandusky thing.

False. You are talking about the wrong school.

Another dumbshit who doesn't know Penn State and UPenn are two different schools.

Not quite. UPenn is the Philadelphia campus. Penn State what most people call the College Station campus, although there are also branches in Erie, Altoona, Brandywine, etc.

You know, you are an idiot. UPenn is an older and more prestigious college that PSU. PSU is a fine school, UP is elite. And the only connection is they are physically both located in the commonwealth of PA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League. Founded in 1740 by Benjamin Franklin. They'll get past this Sandusky thing.

False. You are talking about the wrong school.

Another dumbshit who doesn't know Penn State and UPenn are two different schools.

Not quite. UPenn is the Philadelphia campus. Penn State what most people call the College Station campus, although there are also branches in Erie, Altoona, Brandywine, etc.

Holy cow are you wrong. UPENN IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSITY. Yes, Penn State has like 40 campuses. UPenn is not one of them. Dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


This was the worst sports scandal in the history of the country. The decades of cover up and the awful truth in the football team house all while having the mantra "success with honor ". The program and school community foolishly bought in to a hilarious myth that it did things the right way, better than how other schools ran their programs. When the horrible truth came out the school circled the wagons. Vigils , riots for JoePa being fired (no riots for decades of minors raped in the team showers). Anything ... ANYTHING not to miss a whole football game. Football first ... University second that's the priority. Any normal community or institution run by normal people would have shut down the program for 2 years in order to readjust priorities and sanitize the stench. It would have earned respect and sympathy because it would recognize victimization of the community but also the self reflection that the community bought into a rediculous lie and were too invested in the lie to do the right thing for decades. Instead the school has clung to the lie unable to let go and self deluded and addicted to the lie. It's a spectacle of concentrated human weakness and failure .

So much conjecture and complete lack of any facts in this statement. Not a single shred (please share if you have it) of 'decades of cover up'. Not a shred.

Sandusky adopted 6 children (6) - These were all approved by the state of Pennsylvania. Paterno's children and grandchildren were both at parties at Sandusky's house as late as 2006. Think what you will, but nobody puts their own children in harm's way if they have the slightest inclination that there is a problem. By all means, though, don't use your own common sense to make decisions. Reject the fact that anybody who has spent time on this issue has reconsidered their earlier statements and actually now says there is no reasonable basis to believe that Paterno knew (Bob Costas comes to mind). If I were you I would just reead two articles from the New York Times in 2012 and form a knee jerk opinion.

As for the stigma, I think that Penn State students are more than happy with the $140M that their student run charity for pediatric cancer has raised (the largest in the world), the fact that they are highly sought after by recruiters as someone mentioned above and that they have a huge alumni network to rely on throughout their careers. I have yet to see anybody on this thread raise any sort of tangible stigma that would impact any individual. Nobody links what happened to any Penn State graduate who is trying to succeed in the workplace.

People believe what they want to believe. I don't expect much more from a board where half of the conversation on this thread is trying to explain the difference between Penn and Penn State. The 'football culture' at Penn State is no different than the one that exists at 30 other schools around the country who have a large national presence. I will now step aside so that you can dismiss me as part of the cult.

[Anonymous]

^^ two plead guilty in Sandusky cover-up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/13/us/penn-state-officials-plead-guilty-in-sandusky-cover-up/index.html

[Anonymous]

7 assistants witnessed Sandusky in showers with minors since the 1990s.

http://thebiglead.com/2016/07/12/greg-schiano-witnessed-jerry-sandusky-boy-shower-penn-state-paterno/

[Anonymous]

Here's the Penn State cover-up timeline in vivid detail . Ugh.

http://blogs.post-gazette.com/scandal/timeline.php

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


This was the worst sports scandal in the history of the country. The decades of cover up and the awful truth in the football team house all while having the mantra "success with honor ". The program and school community foolishly bought in to a hilarious myth that it did things the right way, better than how other schools ran their programs. When the horrible truth came out the school circled the wagons. Vigils , riots for JoePa being fired (no riots for decades of minors raped in the team showers). Anything ... ANYTHING not to miss a whole football game. Football first ... University second that's the priority. Any normal community or institution run by normal people would have shut down the program for 2 years in order to readjust priorities and sanitize the stench. It would have earned respect and sympathy because it would recognize victimization of the community but also the self reflection that the community bought into a rediculous lie and were too invested in the lie to do the right thing for decades. Instead the school has clung to the lie unable to let go and self deluded and addicted to the lie. It's a spectacle of concentrated human weakness and failure .

So much conjecture and complete lack of any facts in this statement. Not a single shred (please share if you have it) of 'decades of cover up'. Not a shred.

Sandusky adopted 6 children (6) - These were all approved by the state of Pennsylvania. Paterno's children and grandchildren were both at parties at Sandusky's house as late as 2006. Think what you will, but nobody puts their own children in harm's way if they have the slightest inclination that there is a problem. By all means, though, don't use your own common sense to make decisions. Reject the fact that anybody who has spent time on this issue has reconsidered their earlier statements and actually now says there is no reasonable basis to believe that Paterno knew (Bob Costas comes to mind). If I were you I would just reead two articles from the New York Times in 2012 and form a knee jerk opinion.

As for the stigma, I think that Penn State students are more than happy with the $140M that their student run charity for pediatric cancer has raised (the largest in the world), the fact that they are highly sought after by recruiters as someone mentioned above and that they have a huge alumni network to rely on throughout their careers. I have yet to see anybody on this thread raise any sort of tangible stigma that would impact any individual. Nobody links what happened to any Penn State graduate who is trying to succeed in the workplace.

People believe what they want to believe. I don't expect much more from a board where half of the conversation on this thread is trying to explain the difference between Penn and Penn State. The 'football culture' at Penn State is no different than the one that exists at 30 other schools around the country who have a large national presence. I will now step aside so that you can dismiss me as part of the cult.

You're missing the obvious fact that if people believe there is a stigma then there is in fact a stigma. And that can impact penn state grads in a million subtle and not so subtle ways. When I hire people I review a pile of resumes that have been narrowed done from a much larger pile. Who is to say if the stigma, whether consciously or subconsciously, caused a penn state grad's resume not to be included?

[Anonymous]

DA Ray Gricar investigated Sandusky for pedofile crime. Interviewed the university. Yet "Joe didn't know anything". Wrong.

[Anonymous]

Btw. DA Ray Gricar is went missing in 2006 and his computer found destroyed in the sesquahanna River .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy League. Founded in 1740 by Benjamin Franklin. They'll get past this Sandusky thing.

False. You are talking about the wrong school.

Another dumbshit who doesn't know Penn State and UPenn are two different schools.

Not quite. UPenn is the Philadelphia campus. Penn State what most people call the College Station campus, although there are also branches in Erie, Altoona, Brandywine, etc.

Holy cow are you wrong. UPENN IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSITY. Yes, Penn State has like 40 campuses. UPenn is not one of them. Dumbass.

The campuses have different focuses. UPenn has Wharton and the med school, State College has ag and engineering. Pretty common set up - UNC is other state that comes to mind.