Coup attempt in Turkey

[Anonymous]

I stand with Ataturk. He would have scraped Erdogan off his shoe. He is antithetical to everything Ataturk envisioned for Turkey. Are you crazy? It's like saying that George Washington would embrace the Emperor Napoleon as a trustee of America. You are SO unworldly.

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[Anonymous]

Erdogan is at the airport, greeted by crowds of civilians. Seems like the coup is failed? Or will the divided military continue?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Who opposed the rise of Hitler? What would you do if you lived in fear? Sometimes no one recognizes right action. Does that not make it right? Were the students in TIANAMMEN NOT RIGHT because NOONE SUPPORTED THEM? You sir, are no friend ofTurkey.

You are a lunatic. I'm not fan of Erdogan, but he is no Hitler. No friend of Turkey would support this coup which will result in nothing but death, destruction, and less democracy.

It is interesting that this insane person is fully in support of the coup while other posters are convinced the entire thing was orchestrated by Erdogan himself. If those posters are correct, this idiot is actually supporting Erdogan's Potemkin coup.

No, I am supporting a real coup. If its a Potemkin coup--you are the idiot for defending an ass like Erdogan. Gosh what were your marks in school?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Who opposed the rise of Hitler? What would you do if you lived in fear? Sometimes no one recognizes right action. Does that not make it right? Were the students in TIANAMMEN NOT RIGHT because NOONE SUPPORTED THEM? You sir, are no friend ofTurkey.

You are a lunatic. I'm not fan of Erdogan, but he is no Hitler. No friend of Turkey would support this coup which will result in nothing but death, destruction, and less democracy.

It is interesting that this insane person is fully in support of the coup while other posters are convinced the entire thing was orchestrated by Erdogan himself. If those posters are correct, this idiot is actually supporting Erdogan's Potemkin coup.

No, I am supporting a real coup. If its a Potemkin coup--you are the idiot for defending an ass like Erdogan. Gosh what were your marks in school?

You are supporting a farce that will only make Erdogan stronger. You are getting the exact opposite of what you want. It is no surprise that you prefer to dwell on the past of Ataturk and your days in school. If I were you, I wouldn't want to face the present either.

[Anonymous]

But enjoy how a strongman crushes opposition. We have enjoyed it in Iran. We have enjoyed it in Syria. We have enjoyed it in VZ. And tonight you can warm your bones by it in Turkey. And tomorrow you will say, lets accept Turkish refugees, "We caused this with Israel and the war in Iraq and colonialism"

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:But enjoy how a strongman crushes opposition. We have enjoyed it in Iran. We have enjoyed it in Syria. We have enjoyed it in VZ. And tonight you can warm your bones by it in Turkey. And tomorrow you will say, lets accept Turkish refugees, "We caused this with Israel and the war in Iraq and colonialism"

If tomorrow things are worse in Turkey, it is the military putschists whom you support that are to blame. Don't you understand that? There was never going to be anything good coming out of this. Once it started, the only possible results were various levels of bad.

[Anonymous]

I just hope that Obama does not f--k this up.

It is for the Turks to decide who they want in control. If Erdogan cannot survive the coup then Obama should work with the new military leaders. If, OTOH, if the coup does not succeed then we should just work with Erdogan.

It is not for us to take sides - we should just stay the hell out of how the Turks decide to resolve the issue. It is not a matter of democracy taking precedence because Erdogan is an Islamist who has been grabbing power increasingly since he came to power.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

A FAKE democracy. LIKE Venezuela. Totally manipulated by Erdogan, over a decade in power. MORE JOURNALISTS IMPRISONED THERE THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. You sir are an idiot.

Idiots are people like yourself who believe that a military dictatorship is preferable to a less-than-perfect democracy. Have you checked how many journalists have been arrested by Sisi's government in Egypt? A bunch of idiots like yourself thought that would be a good democratic transition as well.

Think this through. If the coup succeeds -- pretty clear it won't -- it will be less democratic and less free. If the coup fails, Erdogan will be strengthened and even less democratic than he is now. There is no more democratic option on the table, which is why coups like this are stupid and only supported by stupid people.

Your worship of democracy is cute. Seeing as scores of murderers and plunderers have in fact been democratically elected to powerful offices. Democracy is hardly a vaccine from terrible things done by the elected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Erdogan is at the airport, greeted by crowds of civilians. Seems like the coup is failed? Or will the divided military continue?

Lol I posted that like 3 pages ago

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But enjoy how a strongman crushes opposition. We have enjoyed it in Iran. We have enjoyed it in Syria. We have enjoyed it in VZ. And tonight you can warm your bones by it in Turkey. And tomorrow you will say, lets accept Turkish refugees, "We caused this with Israel and the war in Iraq and colonialism"

If tomorrow things are worse in Turkey, it is the military putschists whom you support that are to blame. Don't you understand that? There was never going to be anything good coming out of this. Once it started, the only possible results were various levels of bad.

Erdogan brought this on himself, no one forced him to fuck up the country as bad as he did.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Who opposed the rise of Hitler? What would you do if you lived in fear? Sometimes no one recognizes right action. Does that not make it right? Were the students in TIANAMMEN NOT RIGHT because NOONE SUPPORTED THEM? You sir, are no friend ofTurkey.

You are a lunatic. I'm not fan of Erdogan, but he is no Hitler. No friend of Turkey would support this coup which will result in nothing but death, destruction, and less democracy.

It is interesting that this insane person is fully in support of the coup while other posters are convinced the entire thing was orchestrated by Erdogan himself. If those posters are correct, this idiot is actually supporting Erdogan's Potemkin coup.

No, I am supporting a real coup. If its a Potemkin coup--you are the idiot for defending an ass like Erdogan. Gosh what were your marks in school?

You are supporting a farce that will only make Erdogan stronger. You are getting the exact opposite of what you want. It is no surprise that you prefer to dwell on the past of Ataturk and your days in school. If I were you, I wouldn't want to face the present either.

Ohhh you're soooo savvy. Would you have said the same about the failed coup attempt on Hitler? Have you ever heard of principles???

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/22987
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan described efforts to promote birth control as "treason," saying contraception risked causing a whole generation to dry up, reports said Monday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18297760
Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has described abortion as tantamount to "murder", angering women's rights groups and sparking an intense debate in the mainly Muslim nation.

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/04/13/turkish-pm-raps-france-for-face-veil-ban-militants-online-urge-punishment-for-paris/

https://www.rt.com/news/340559-erdogan-controls-media-persecutes-gulenists/

“In short, journalism is in coma in Turkey. Erdogan’s administration doesn’t seem to tolerate any criticism at all. It is impossible to do real journalism in Turkey right now,” Aslandogan said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just hope that Obama does not f--k this up.

It is for the Turks to decide who they want in control. If Erdogan cannot survive the coup then Obama should work with the new military leaders. If, OTOH, if the coup does not succeed then we should just work with Erdogan.

It is not for us to take sides - we should just stay the hell out of how the Turks decide to resolve the issue. It is not a matter of democracy taking precedence because Erdogan is an Islamist who has been grabbing power increasingly since he came to power.

Obama already picked his side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just hope that Obama does not f--k this up.

It is for the Turks to decide who they want in control. If Erdogan cannot survive the coup then Obama should work with the new military leaders. If, OTOH, if the coup does not succeed then we should just work with Erdogan.

It is not for us to take sides - we should just stay the hell out of how the Turks decide to resolve the issue. It is not a matter of democracy taking precedence because Erdogan is an Islamist who has been grabbing power increasingly since he came to power.

Erdogan has already survived this coup. Tens of thousands of Turks are turning out for street protests in support of the regime, even if they aren't fans of AKP in general. The "military coup" has started strafing parliament - that's not how you win hearts and minds.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just hope that Obama does not f--k this up.

It is for the Turks to decide who they want in control. If Erdogan cannot survive the coup then Obama should work with the new military leaders. If, OTOH, if the coup does not succeed then we should just work with Erdogan.

It is not for us to take sides - we should just stay the hell out of how the Turks decide to resolve the issue. It is not a matter of democracy taking precedence because Erdogan is an Islamist who has been grabbing power increasingly since he came to power.

Obama already picked his side.

Obama only picked a side once it was clear which side would win. Initially, Obama was clearly willing to accept a coup.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just hope that Obama does not f--k this up.

It is for the Turks to decide who they want in control. If Erdogan cannot survive the coup then Obama should work with the new military leaders. If, OTOH, if the coup does not succeed then we should just work with Erdogan.

It is not for us to take sides - we should just stay the hell out of how the Turks decide to resolve the issue. It is not a matter of democracy taking precedence because Erdogan is an Islamist who has been grabbing power increasingly since he came to power.

Obama already picked his side.

Obama only picked a side once it was clear which side would win. Initially, Obama was clearly willing to accept a coup.

Wouldn't Kerry & our military leaders advise Obama on this. You guys make it out like Obama just picks a side on his own with no thought or consulting his cabinet or the Pentagon and just goes with it. Like rock, paper, scissors with Bo.