How can I find out what % of McLean Bible Church's revenues (donations) go to programs

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Anonymous wrote:I find it hilarious how much people go out of their way to bash megachurches when 99% of them have never even been in one. I guess it's easier to make ignorant assumptions than it is to learn the facts about something.

Such a weak train of thought. One does not need to be in a thing to study it. I'm sure plenty of your fellow churchgoers have thoughts about liberal Christian religions, the Jewish faith, Islam, and Mormonism, despite never having set foot in their places of worship.

Those thoughts would actually be assumptions without actually experiencing it. We all know what it means to assume...

Isn't that the premise of Abrahamic religions? Assuming all those that don't believe as them go to hell. Assuming others need to find Jesus or Allah for salvation hence the need to proselytize.

Assuming their religion is the one true religion. It's all an assumption.

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but is the jews for Jesus not a jewish organization?
A Christian outreach should not focus on just one specific group, but be open to all
I find it odd that someone would leave Judaism, but then hang around with only former jews

Jews for Jesus can call themselves Jews if they want, but they are not considered Jews by any of our denominations. There are independent Jewish organizations that "have a seat at our table" so to speak, but the Jew for Jesus do not.

Main stream Jews consider Jews for Jesus to be a Christian cult.

+ 1. Jews for Jesus are people who were born Jews, but abandoned the religion when they "accepted Jesus" - as such a belief is antithetical to Judaism. It's a lie to tell a Jew that he can still be Jewish and believe in Jesus. I've heard people say that Lon Solomon is Jewish, and he calls himself that, but to all forms of Judaism - Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform - he is an apostate, someone who abandoned his religion. He, like anyone, is of course free to choose whatever religion he wants, but the shame comes from the fact that he is trying to get Jews to give up their religion and adopt Christianity. And then he sends his congregants out to pester Jews and warn them of hell. He is not a friend to the Jewish people.

+1 mostly. "Jews for Jesus" is a specific organization. It not a name for those born Jewish who have embraced Christ. Those people are Christians, of whatever denomination they chose and yes, from a Jewish perspective they are apostates, but who on earth uses that word anymore?

There are many Christian groups and Christian individuals who have become enamored with the "old testament" and incorporated elements of "jewish stuff" into their practice (eg. the recent gift of a tallis to Trump from a pastor who preaches on saturday, not Sunday). Most of them don't single out Jews for their conversion efforts.

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How can jews for Jesus be a Christian cult when they practice Judaism, only do outreach to jews ?
I get the heresy part, but for them to go Christian they would need to drop Saturday services. Christ rose from the dead on Sunday and the desciples started to meet on Sundays

In Christianity there is no jew or Greek, all are equal, so why the special focus on just one group

I fail to see how they are Christian if they do not embrace non jewish people

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Anonymous wrote:How can jews for Jesus be a Christian cult when they practice Judaism, only do outreach to jews ?
I get the heresy part, but for them to go Christian they would need to drop Saturday services. Christ rose from the dead on Sunday and the desciples started to meet on Sundays

In Christianity there is no jew or Greek, all are equal, so why the special focus on just one group

I fail to see how they are Christian if they do not embrace non jewish people

They could go to services on Saturday, keep kosher, and bench lecht, but if they believe that Jesus was the son of G-d, they are NOT Jewish. The very concept that a mortal man (which is how Jews see him) should be worshiped as a god is an abhorant concept in Judaism. It runs counter to the very core of Judiasm.

What's bothering me, and I suppose some of the other Jews posting here, is that Lon Solomon has abandoned the Jewish religion, and yet insists he is Jewish. If that's what he wants to do, fine. But he is also telling Jews - and sending out his foot soldiers, apparently, to do the same - that that can still be Jewish even if they believe in Jesus (and worse, if they don't, they burn in hell.) Why does someone who abandons the religion get to redefine it? That privilege belongs to the people still IN the religion.

(And for the person who said the word apostate isn't used these days, true. I just wanted to demonstrate how someone like Lon is viewed from the Jewish perspective.)