My Husband Supports Trump

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Anonymous wrote:Divorce him. Seriously. I couldn't stay married to someone with those values.

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I'm about to uninvite my ILs for the holidays. I don't want my children exposed to that kind of hate and ignorance.

This attitude right here is part of the reason Trump is having success.

As a college professor, I agree 100% with this. PP is one of those "don't expose me to ideas I disagree with" types.... the coddling students I teach on a daily basis who don't want rigorous arguments challenging them to defend their views.

As a college professor, I would hope that you are teaching your students that there is a meaningful difference between opinions that are actively xenophobic and based on lies and opinions that are simply different from their own. Trump has repeatedly lied about things that are verifiable, suggested policies that are unconstitutional, made comments that are blatantly racist, and shown absolutely no remorse for this behavior. I would be utterly delighted to not be exposed to his ideas - not just because I disagree with them, but because they are antithetical to pretty much everything I believe - and if I found out that a close friend or relative agreed with those things, I would not want to associate with that person any longer.

It is actually not unconstitutional to selectively control immigration, even based on religion.

Only because the Constitution doesn't apply outside US borders to people who are not US citizens.

It does apply to US Muslims who would be barred re-entry to the US solely on the basis of their religious preference - that would be unconstitutional.

Also, just because something is legal or even not unconstitutional doesn't make it the morally right or smart thing to do. That is something that has been lost on our policymakers in the area of drone warfare, torture, Geneva Conventions and surveillance,etc. in the last 15 years. I attribute that loss of policymaking perspective to the over-reliance on the opinions of lawyers (my own profession, I admit ashamedly), who make arguments about policy on the basis of what is legal and not what is wise, morally right and/or effective.

Fine, but let's not use hyperbole and say that what he proposes is unconstitutional. He didn't suggest barring American Muslims from re-entering; he was talking about immigration.

Can you tell me why drone warfare, specifically, is immoral in your opinion? Does risking an American pilot make it moral to you?

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

What is a scary Hispanic?

OP here - seriously, what does that mean?

Scary Hispanic: Big eyebrows, muscles, speaks some strange language, polite demeanor masks underlying nefarious intent. Gets even worse when said scary Hispanics can trace American family roots to the time before there was a USA to speak of.

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Anonymous wrote:Divorce him. Seriously. I couldn't stay married to someone with those values.

+1

I'm about to uninvite my ILs for the holidays. I don't want my children exposed to that kind of hate and ignorance.

This attitude right here is part of the reason Trump is having success.

As a college professor, I agree 100% with this. PP is one of those "don't expose me to ideas I disagree with" types.... the coddling students I teach on a daily basis who don't want rigorous arguments challenging them to defend their views.

As a college professor, I would hope that you are teaching your students that there is a meaningful difference between opinions that are actively xenophobic and based on lies and opinions that are simply different from their own. Trump has repeatedly lied about things that are verifiable, suggested policies that are unconstitutional, made comments that are blatantly racist, and shown absolutely no remorse for this behavior. I would be utterly delighted to not be exposed to his ideas - not just because I disagree with them, but because they are antithetical to pretty much everything I believe - and if I found out that a close friend or relative agreed with those things, I would not want to associate with that person any longer.

It is actually not unconstitutional to selectively control immigration, even based on religion.

Only because the Constitution doesn't apply outside US borders to people who are not US citizens.

It does apply to US Muslims who would be barred re-entry to the US solely on the basis of their religious preference - that would be unconstitutional.

Also, just because something is legal or even not unconstitutional doesn't make it the morally right or smart thing to do. That is something that has been lost on our policymakers in the area of drone warfare, torture, Geneva Conventions and surveillance,etc. in the last 15 years. I attribute that loss of policymaking perspective to the over-reliance on the opinions of lawyers (my own profession, I admit ashamedly), who make arguments about policy on the basis of what is legal and not what is wise, morally right and/or effective.

Fine, but let's not use hyperbole and say that what he proposes is unconstitutional. He didn't suggest barring American Muslims from re-entering; he was talking about immigration.

Can you tell me why drone warfare, specifically, is immoral in your opinion? Does risking an American pilot make it moral to you?

Forcing them to carry papers to produce on demand is unconstitutional.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - honestly not sure why you think this is trolling.

I am PP you are replying to; it just seems like Godwin's Law...like, how can you bring up Trump without it blowing up a thread?

But...fair enough...

Anonymous wrote:I almost posted in the politics forum (would have been a first for me), but think you're actually getting at why it is a relationship issue in your post. To me, this isn't really about supporting a candidate I don't like. It is more that he is supporting someone who is so extreme that I question what that means on a deeper level, like I must not really know him at all or understand the person he has become over the last 20 years. We have three kids, and I'm not getting a divorce over politics, but I wonder if there is a bigger disconnect between us than I ever would have thought.

Well, people can change and not always for the better. Or they may have been uncertain about some of their values and as time and other experiences have passed along, they feel more certain and deeply about those values. I wouldn't have conceived of a situation where an argument over evolution would have derailed a relationship, and I wasn't a militant atheist or all that hostile to religion, but after being constantly pushed on these issues, at a detailed level, it focused my feelings. I'm not a militant atheist, but if you force me to pick sides, that's the side I'm picking.

I was much much more careful about this when dating anyone after this, and paid attention to those kinds of values.

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Anonymous wrote:Divorce him. Seriously. I couldn't stay married to someone with those values.

+1

I'm about to uninvite my ILs for the holidays. I don't want my children exposed to that kind of hate and ignorance.

This attitude right here is part of the reason Trump is having success.

As a college professor, I agree 100% with this. PP is one of those "don't expose me to ideas I disagree with" types.... the coddling students I teach on a daily basis who don't want rigorous arguments challenging them to defend their views.

As a college professor, I would hope that you are teaching your students that there is a meaningful difference between opinions that are actively xenophobic and based on lies and opinions that are simply different from their own. Trump has repeatedly lied about things that are verifiable, suggested policies that are unconstitutional, made comments that are blatantly racist, and shown absolutely no remorse for this behavior. I would be utterly delighted to not be exposed to his ideas - not just because I disagree with them, but because they are antithetical to pretty much everything I believe - and if I found out that a close friend or relative agreed with those things, I would not want to associate with that person any longer.

+1000

I'm the PP who might uninvite ILs over this. We have a very diverse extended family - politics, religion, race, nationalities, etc. - and usually we do have healthy discussions about world topics with a variety of viewpoints. ILs have been leaning way way left in recent years and may have gone over the line in terms of ethics in my mind. My DH is a Republican (moderate) and he was shocked by what they said at Thanksgiving. Just like I said earlier, I don't want my children exposed to that. It's just not a difference of opinion, it's pure hatred of others.

Do you mean your ILs are leaning way right? I can't imagine where getting further left can get you into the realm of "pure hatred."

They've gone so far they're approaching from the other side.

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Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim.

Except not.

Timothy McVeigh
Ted Kacynzki
Elliott Rodger
Dylan Roof
Jerad & Amanda Miller
Craig Hicks
Larry McQuilliams
Frazier Miller
Wade Michael Page
Donny Mower
Joseph Stack
James Wenneker von Brunn
Richard Baumhammers

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Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim.

Except not.

Timothy McVeigh
Ted Kacynzki
Elliott Rodger
Dylan Roof
Jerad & Amanda Miller
Craig Hicks
Larry McQuilliams
Frazier Miller
Wade Michael Page
Donny Mower
Joseph Stack
James Wenneker von Brunn
Richard Baumhammers

Jeeze - I forgot Robert Lewis Dean who shot up the Colorado Planned Parenthood a couple of weeks ago. The non-Islamic terrorism happens so often, it's easy to lose track.

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Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim.

Except not.

Timothy McVeigh
Ted Kacynzki
Elliott Rodger
Dylan Roof
Jerad & Amanda Miller
Craig Hicks
Larry McQuilliams
Frazier Miller
Wade Michael Page
Donny Mower
Joseph Stack
James Wenneker von Brunn
Richard Baumhammers

"But we must at the same time make clear that the time to look away is past. Wahhabi mosques are financed all over the world by Saudi Arabia. In Germany, many dangerous Islamists come from these communities," he saids

Saudi Arabia follows the ultra-conservative Wahhabi form of Islam, and some outsiders see it as a cause of the international jihadist threat.

ISIL
Al Qaeda
Taliban
Boko Haram
al-Shabaab

What is the common denominator? All followers of Wahhabi Islam propagated by rich Saudis

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-ger...H720151206#3HWTGpjud4fVpq5V.99

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The existence of Muslim terrorists doesn't at all help prove that "nearly every terrorist is a Muslim." In the U.S., acts of terrorism by non-Muslim white people appear to be more common than acts of terrorism by Muslims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have moved further and further RIGHT. I'm sorry for your awful situation.

Yep. Only morons believe the Dems have moved further left.

[Anonymous]

My father and brother support Trump. I am dreading seeing them at Christmas.

My husband is not a supporter Trump (or any Republican). And thank God. I am not capable of being married to someone who supports Trump. My mother is liberal and living with my father is driving her nuts these days.

[Anonymous]

Hugs OP. So, sorry. Two inspirational words to get you through the holidays. Jimmy Carter.

Carter was a nice man. Trump's ego is off the charts. Trump would get eaten alive in Washington. Imagine a whiny little Veruca Salt taking on Congress.

Not.Gonna.Happen! Don't worry. It's fun popping the corn and watching the political version of the Kardashians.

[Anonymous]

Politically I am not on Trump's side at all. Number One: He is a Republican. Number Two: He is an ugly, disrespectful man who mocks the disabled, women and anyone he can without realizing he would be a zero if he wasn't sitting on so much ca$h. Trust me, if Mr. Trump was a manager at Burger King he would be throwing dollar bills at beautiful women after work in the strip club vs. being married to one of them. Number Three: He thinks he is a rich white man thus making him superior to anyone who isn't. And he is a tad bit racist too.

However, he has a point. If no one agreed with him, he wouldn't even be in the running. He has topped the polls most of the time so Americans feel his views, just most are afraid to make them public. They like to step back and let the "Donald"do all the talking.

Your husband may be one of these people. He may be fed up with illegal immigration and think we should be more strict.

He also may be fed up with all the recent terrorist situations and need someone to look up to who can make America great.

Personally, I as a Democrat would love this type of dynamic.

I bet you and your husband must have the best and most interesting dinner conversations.

While I cannot stand Trump, I wouldn't necessarily rule out anyone who did.

[Anonymous]

Smoking is a bigger threat to Americans than terrorism. Humans suck at risk assessment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Politically I am not on Trump's side at all. Number One: He is a Republican. Number Two: He is an ugly, disrespectful man who mocks the disabled, women and anyone he can without realizing he would be a zero if he wasn't sitting on so much ca$h. Trust me, if Mr. Trump was a manager at Burger King he would be throwing dollar bills at beautiful women after work in the strip club vs. being married to one of them. Number Three: He thinks he is a rich white man thus making him superior to anyone who isn't. And he is a tad bit racist too.

However, he has a point. If no one agreed with him, he wouldn't even be in the running. He has topped the polls most of the time so Americans feel his views, just most are afraid to make them public. They like to step back and let the "Donald"do all the talking.

Your husband may be one of these people. He may be fed up with illegal immigration and think we should be more strict.

He also may be fed up with all the recent terrorist situations and need someone to look up to who can make America great.

Personally, I as a Democrat would love this type of dynamic.

I bet you and your husband must have the best and most interesting dinner conversations.

While I cannot stand Trump, I wouldn't necessarily rule out anyone who did.

Except that his idea of what would "make America great" is actually not going to make America great. Put up a wall and declare open season on hunting Mexicans who approach the wall? Kick out all illegal immigrants immediately? Restrict entry to the US to only non-Muslims? Make American Muslims carry documents identifying their religion? How do those things make America anything but xenophobic and racist?

Moreover, I have yet to hear anything that resembles an actual policy for other pressing problems that the country is facing. Immigration is not the only problem this country is facing, but it does seem to be the only one that Trump cares about. He's running for president - not Immigration Cop In Chief.