Do you think having an abortion will mean you are going to hell?

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Not believing and trusting in Jesus Christ as your savior is why people go to hell, not specific sins.

This.

So all Jews go to Hell. I save sick children, but I go to hell. This is why it's so hard to respect religious people.

Jews are God's chosen people.

So...what?

So.. He created a special relationship with the Jewish people. I do not believe that they will go to hell, even though they do not believe that Jesus is the savior.

Ah so just the Buddhists all go to hell for no reason. Good to know the rule doesn't apply to Jews. Do you not hear how stupid and arbitrary this sounds?

Are you saying christian beliefs are stupid and arbitrary? Jesus loves us and wants us to lives with him forever in heaven.

Nope, I'm a Christian. I think your version of it is stupid and arbitrary.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

Sure it does, just as much as yours does. I've read the Bible. I'm good at interpreting words. Lots of Christians disagree with you on this.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Not believing and trusting in Jesus Christ as your savior is why people go to hell, not specific sins.

This.

So all Jews go to Hell. I save sick children, but I go to hell. This is why it's so hard to respect religious people.

Jews are God's chosen people.

So...what?

So.. He created a special relationship with the Jewish people. I do not believe that they will go to hell, even though they do not believe that Jesus is the savior.

Ah so just the Buddhists all go to hell for no reason. Good to know the rule doesn't apply to Jews. Do you not hear how stupid and arbitrary this sounds?

Are you saying christian beliefs are stupid and arbitrary? Jesus loves us and wants us to lives with him forever in heaven.

God chose the Jewish people thousands of years ago, to begin a concrete relationship with people on Earth. That special relationship continues to this day, through the nation of Israel. Jewish people as individuals still must come to know Christ as their savior, and many do. And, God is not finished with the nation of Israel as He continues to show evidence of His grace and love.

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And it's not "just the Buddhists," as though they are singled out to be damned. All fall short of the glory of God and must seek salvation through Jesus Christ.

Except not Jews, right? Arbitrary.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

Sure it does, just as much as yours does. I've read the Bible. I'm good at interpreting words. Lots of Christians disagree with you on this.

Somehow, I doubt that.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief. You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH? Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?

So doubting but continuing to go to church is good enough? And then you get away with acting horribly as long as you say sorry? Pathetic

There is a lot more to following Jesus Christ than simply "going to church." If that is your view of religion, it is painfully shallow. And no, you don't "get away" with acting horribly. Acting Horribly and Following Jesus Christ are contradictory.

So what is sufficient belief then? You say doubt is a fine and acceptable part of it. I believe Jesus was a really great person and maybe more a child of God than the rest of us. But not sure. Am I a believer?

I don't think God judges us in the end on our level of belief. (It's not like there is a thermometer and if you hit a certain number, you're OK!) Romans 10:9 is very clear: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I think this is interesting because it requires two things: action and belief. To me, the "action" is yes, affirming that we are followers but then also, continuing to live your life that way. That means, continuing to seek a relationship with Him. If you do that, He will reach out and meet you, I promise you that. So, it's not enough (in my mind) to say, OK, I believe, now on with life. What God is seeking through Christ is to change you and live in your life here, now and in the years to come that you have on earth. It is a constantly growing process.

In fact, Revelation 13: 15 - 16 says this about people who profess to believing, but then continue to march on their own merry way: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

In other words, I think God finds that even more offensive than people who never came to know Him.

So God is offended by those who never came to know him? Of no fault of their own? A little Muslim kid growing up in Iran does at age 10 without accepting Jesus and he's offensive and going to Hell? Your God is petty.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

It's not anyone's "version" these are standard Christian beliefs that anyone knows. even denominations that disagree on some things, agree about this. DOn't believe them if you don't want to. God didn't make us robots. We all have free will and you've used yours to think that basic christianity is petty.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief. You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH? Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?

So doubting but continuing to go to church is good enough? And then you get away with acting horribly as long as you say sorry? Pathetic

There is a lot more to following Jesus Christ than simply "going to church." If that is your view of religion, it is painfully shallow. And no, you don't "get away" with acting horribly. Acting Horribly and Following Jesus Christ are contradictory.

So what is sufficient belief then? You say doubt is a fine and acceptable part of it. I believe Jesus was a really great person and maybe more a child of God than the rest of us. But not sure. Am I a believer?

I don't think God judges us in the end on our level of belief. (It's not like there is a thermometer and if you hit a certain number, you're OK!) Romans 10:9 is very clear: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I think this is interesting because it requires two things: action and belief. To me, the "action" is yes, affirming that we are followers but then also, continuing to live your life that way. That means, continuing to seek a relationship with Him. If you do that, He will reach out and meet you, I promise you that. So, it's not enough (in my mind) to say, OK, I believe, now on with life. What God is seeking through Christ is to change you and live in your life here, now and in the years to come that you have on earth. It is a constantly growing process.

In fact, Revelation 13: 15 - 16 says this about people who profess to believing, but then continue to march on their own merry way: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

In other words, I think God finds that even more offensive than people who never came to know Him.

So God is offended by those who never came to know him? Of no fault of their own? A little Muslim kid growing up in Iran does at age 10 without accepting Jesus and he's offensive and going to Hell? Your God is petty.

No, you completely misread. God is offended by those who claim to follow Him but are "lukewarm" as in neither hot nor cold.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

Sure it does, just as much as yours does. I've read the Bible. I'm good at interpreting words. Lots of Christians disagree with you on this.

So what -- Christianity is not a popularity contest.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

It's not anyone's "version" these are standard Christian beliefs that anyone knows. even denominations that disagree on some things, agree about this. DOn't believe them if you don't want to. God didn't make us robots. We all have free will and you've used yours to think that basic christianity is petty.

You're very wrong that all Christian denominations believe this. I was raised in Christian churches that don't believe this. You're very small minded.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

Sure it does, just as much as yours does. I've read the Bible. I'm good at interpreting words. Lots of Christians disagree with you on this.

So what -- Christianity is not a popularity contest.

So you should stop pretending this is what all Christians believe.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief. You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH? Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?

So doubting but continuing to go to church is good enough? And then you get away with acting horribly as long as you say sorry? Pathetic

There is a lot more to following Jesus Christ than simply "going to church." If that is your view of religion, it is painfully shallow. And no, you don't "get away" with acting horribly. Acting Horribly and Following Jesus Christ are contradictory.

So what is sufficient belief then? You say doubt is a fine and acceptable part of it. I believe Jesus was a really great person and maybe more a child of God than the rest of us. But not sure. Am I a believer?

I don't think God judges us in the end on our level of belief. (It's not like there is a thermometer and if you hit a certain number, you're OK!) Romans 10:9 is very clear: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I think this is interesting because it requires two things: action and belief. To me, the "action" is yes, affirming that we are followers but then also, continuing to live your life that way. That means, continuing to seek a relationship with Him. If you do that, He will reach out and meet you, I promise you that. So, it's not enough (in my mind) to say, OK, I believe, now on with life. What God is seeking through Christ is to change you and live in your life here, now and in the years to come that you have on earth. It is a constantly growing process.

In fact, Revelation 13: 15 - 16 says this about people who profess to believing, but then continue to march on their own merry way: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

In other words, I think God finds that even more offensive than people who never came to know Him.

So God is offended by those who never came to know him? Of no fault of their own? A little Muslim kid growing up in Iran does at age 10 without accepting Jesus and he's offensive and going to Hell? Your God is petty.

No, you completely misread. God is offended by those who claim to follow Him but are "lukewarm" as in neither hot nor cold.

No you misread. That quote says God is "more" offended by the lukewarm, which means he's offended by the unbeliever as well. Obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

My God is not that petty.

You decided that christian beliefs are petty and invented your own god

No, I decided your version of Christianity is petty and wrong.

Well, again that's nice, but "what you decided" has no basis in fact or reality.

Sure it does, just as much as yours does. I've read the Bible. I'm good at interpreting words. Lots of Christians disagree with you on this.

Somehow, I doubt that.

Then you're very wrong. Not only have read it, multiple times, but taken classes on theology and went to catholic school.

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If you are going to hell, then everyone is. Democrats because they support abortion. Republicans because they oppose the birth control that could prevent abortions. Libertarians because they don't believe in the social welfare that would let poor women afford to raise their babies. I guess the only ones who might avoid it are Republicans who support birth control but not abortion - but even then, they'd have to support a full range of social welfare programs and the end of moral opprobrium towards unwed mothers. But then I guess they would just be pro-life Democrats?

Confused ...

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Anonymous wrote:No, I believe it's worse to bring an unwanted child into the world. I, along with several people I know had abortions because we weren't able to care for or raise a child when we accidently got pregnant. I know I did the right thing and I'm sure you did too.

You "accidentally" got pregnant? Wow, that's a first. You can't even own up to the fact that you played a role in it.

You could have chosen life and adopted your child out, rather than killing it.

I didn't say that I didn't have a role in it. I was using the pill and it failed. So, yes, it was an accident. I was so thankful that abortion is safe and legal and was upheld by the Supreme Court because I didn't want to give birth to an unwanted child and give it away. I don't believe that life begins at conception (like so many Americans) so I don't believe that a baby ever existed.

I am Pro-Choice which means I believe that women should be able to make this very personal, hugely important decision for themselves. If you don't think abortion is right for you, fine, but stop spewing your hateful messages and trying to impose your beliefs on others.

"What you believe" is nice, but irrelevant. What is important are the facts. And the facts are, that life begins at conception/ implantation, whether or not that is convenient for you in your situation. And "give birth to an unwanted child?" How ridiculously selfish is that? I assure you, many, many, many people would have wanted that child to have a life. And so did God.

What you think are "the facts" is nice but incorrect. There are many many disparate opinions about this issue and it's complex. The Supreme Court held that a fetus was not legally a human being until at least the end of the first trimester. You know nothing about me or my situation. I am thankful that I had a choice. My choice included the realization that I was not equipped to raise a child. We have too many unwanted children in the foster system. It's selfish for people to have children they can't take care of and expect someone else to raise them. I've met a lot of really messed up adopted kids. Who cares if many people wanted that child to have a life. Are they willing and able to raise it? As far as God is concerned, I'm an agnostic, but for the most part I don't believe in God.

I think we should agree to disagree because pro-choice/anti-choice views are very difficult to change.