Asian students dominate admissions to elite Thomas Jefferson High School

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This is why I will not encourage my very STEM oriented younger child to apply to TJ. It it not a school filled with gifted students and creative minds like it used to be. It is a cutthroat destination for hot-housed children of domineering parents.

It's a shame this is how it's turned out at TJ.

I remember going to an Open House for TJ when it first opened. I was coming into middle school and was an AA kid in FCPS, they-even then were making a concerted effort to recruit minority kids. Honestly, I thought the people/kids were strange and told my parents I was not interested in the least...


I am now in a STEM field... who knew?!

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Anonymous wrote:Labeling pressure cooker environment of Asian families is the same as saying all white families have a tradition of molesting their children because that's all we have observed about some of them.

Wow. Project much. I have never witnessed any molestation with any white families. I have, however, witnessed an Asian parent verbally abuse her child because he was not concentrating on the task at hand. That caused him to cry and then the parent proceeded to shame him for crying in public. I also observed a different Asain parent slap her child for not getting an answer correct.

Yes because clearly your observations = statistically significant.

Look it up in any US crime statistic database. White people, specifically white men, are way overrepresented in proportion to their percentage of the population among domestic violence criminals (i.e. child abuse, rape, spousal abuse, etc.).

The point is not to say that all or even a majority of white families molest their kids because that's obviously not true. Likewise, you nor anybody else in this thread (unless they are a researcher who has done a statistically and procedurally sound comprehensive study on the issue) has the ability to make sweeping statements about Asian families based on their oh-so-reliable "observations." At least the molesting claim, if someone wanted to make it, has some actual numbers backing it up instead of just a cacophony of racist idiots on a message board.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

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Anonymous wrote:Labeling pressure cooker environment of Asian families is the same as saying all white families have a tradition of molesting their children because that's all we have observed about some of them.

Wow. Project much. I have never witnessed any molestation with any white families. I have, however, witnessed an Asian parent verbally abuse her child because he was not concentrating on the task at hand. That caused him to cry and then the parent proceeded to shame him for crying in public. I also observed a different Asain parent slap her child for not getting an answer correct.

Yes because clearly your observations = statistically significant.

Look it up in any US crime statistic database. White people, specifically white men, are way overrepresented in proportion to their percentage of the population among domestic violence criminals (i.e. child abuse, rape, spousal abuse, etc.).

The point is not to say that all or even a majority of white families molest their kids because that's obviously not true. Likewise, you nor anybody else in this thread (unless they are a researcher who has done a statistically and procedurally sound comprehensive study on the issue) has the ability to make sweeping statements about Asian families based on their oh-so-reliable "observations." At least the molesting claim, if someone wanted to make it, has some actual numbers backing it up instead of just a cacophony of racist idiots on a message board.

You know I wish I did not observe such abusive acts by Asian parents. But I have and it made me extremely uncomfortable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Labeling pressure cooker environment of Asian families is the same as saying all white families have a tradition of molesting their children because that's all we have observed about some of them.

Wow. Project much. I have never witnessed any molestation with any white families. I have, however, witnessed an Asian parent verbally abuse her child because he was not concentrating on the task at hand. That caused him to cry and then the parent proceeded to shame him for crying in public. I also observed a different Asain parent slap her child for not getting an answer correct.

Yes because clearly your observations = statistically significant.

Look it up in any US crime statistic database. White people, specifically white men, are way overrepresented in proportion to their percentage of the population among domestic violence criminals (i.e. child abuse, rape, spousal abuse, etc.).

The point is not to say that all or even a majority of white families molest their kids because that's obviously not true. Likewise, you nor anybody else in this thread (unless they are a researcher who has done a statistically and procedurally sound comprehensive study on the issue) has the ability to make sweeping statements about Asian families based on their oh-so-reliable "observations." At least the molesting claim, if someone wanted to make it, has some actual numbers backing it up instead of just a cacophony of racist idiots on a message board.

Asian families have a tradition of hiding incidents of moleststion, abuse, mental health issues, etc to protect the family from shame.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

Okay okay, we got it. You are amazing. You have bred even more amazing children.

My question is where did you see these Asian parents doing all these things. I am Asian working with mostly white colleagues. My kid is in the fewest number of outside activities among all of my colleagues. The Asian friends I have are all over the map on this. Some kids do a lot others not so much. I just don't see how you can be so confident in your observations.

You must be a in some kind of biomedical field.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

Many? Based off what? Aside from the simple fact that you have zero idea what the kids you saw were thinking or feeling, you could see thousands of hypothetical forced-study robotic Asian children (though I doubt you could see any other kind based off your "observations"), and your personal experience would still mean absolutely nothing in a macro perspective. Surely someone with an "advance degree from a top tier university" understands basic statistical concepts. For every kid in those activities, I guarantee there is another Asian kid out there doing whatever the hell he/she wants.

An observation doesn't make you racist, but extrapolating your observations to people you don't know individually based solely on their race is. Please tell me where you went to school so I can advise my kids to avoid it.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

Okay okay, we got it. You are amazing. You have bred even more amazing children.

My question is where did you see these Asian parents doing all these things. I am Asian working with mostly white colleagues. My kid is in the fewest number of outside activities among all of my colleagues. The Asian friends I have are all over the map on this. Some kids do a lot others not so much. I just don't see how you can be so confident in your observations.

You must be a in some kind of biomedical field.

I observed both incidences in after school clubs, which did not take place at the school. Both clubs were coached by Asians. I know I am generalizing but to witness different abusive acts from two different parents in a short span has me concerned. The one child who was publicly shamed is absolutely terrified of displeasing his mother.

And no I do not work in biomedical research.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

Many? Based off what? Aside from the simple fact that you have zero idea what the kids you saw were thinking or feeling, you could see thousands of hypothetical forced-study robotic Asian children (though I doubt you could see any other kind based off your "observations"), and your personal experience would still mean absolutely nothing in a macro perspective. Surely someone with an "advance degree from a top tier university" understands basic statistical concepts. For every kid in those activities, I guarantee there is another Asian kid out there doing whatever the hell he/she wants.

An observation doesn't make you racist, but extrapolating your observations to people you don't know individually based solely on their race is. Please tell me where you went to school so I can advise my kids to avoid it.

I agree. Good reminder that being highly educated does not always mean being wise.

[Anonymous]

I saw two NASCAR races on television. All the people in the audience were Caucasian. Therefore all Caucasians (and only Caucasians) like NASCAR. Because I think NASCAR is low brow, all Caucasians must be as well. That's the type of logic going on here.

If anyone wants to see what goes on at TJ, visit the school. They have lab open houses, events, sports, theater, etc. It's not full of robots or drones or cowering children. The students are remarkable only for how normal they all seem.

Or read the student newspaper - TJ Today. It's online.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing people keep forgetting...

These damn Asian kids are AMERICANS too.

Um. Yeah. But that does change the pressure cooker parenting so common amongst Asians.

I'm actually in MoCo. I find these threads interesting. In MoCo, the "W" HS schools are considered pressure cookers, and these schools are majority white. This kind of pressure isn't limited to Asian families, although you probably live in an enclave where a lot of such Asian families live, much like the W enclaves are where a lot of these white families live.

Irrespective of race, all families are pressure cooker family if they give more importance to education.

In general Asian parents give more importance to education than others.

I disagree. Being a parent with an advanced degree, I stress the importance of a well rounded education. I refuse to subject my children to forced learning. My children happily learn on their own. They are in the same AAP classes that your Asian child attends. They are in the same chess club, math club, etc. They participate in these activities because THEY want to and not because mommy tells them to.

Humor us - what's the area is your advanced degree?

I guess it's Phd in racist.

LOL. If not, I hearby grant her a honorary Ph.D in racist.

Jealous much? I got my advanced degree in the hard sciences working in a top notch lab. The university I attended was in the top tier.

I was making a statement regarding my approach in educating my children. I simply do not have to mandate certain extracurricular activities for my children. They want to be in these clubs. From what I have witnessed, many (not all!) Asian children are being required by their parents to participate in certain clubs. An observation does not make me racist. Sorry I hit a nerve.

Many? Based off what? Aside from the simple fact that you have zero idea what the kids you saw were thinking or feeling, you could see thousands of hypothetical forced-study robotic Asian children (though I doubt you could see any other kind based off your "observations"), and your personal experience would still mean absolutely nothing in a macro perspective. Surely someone with an "advance degree from a top tier university" understands basic statistical concepts. For every kid in those activities, I guarantee there is another Asian kid out there doing whatever the hell he/she wants.

An observation doesn't make you racist, but extrapolating your observations to people you don't know individually based solely on their race is. Please tell me where you went to school so I can advise my kids to avoid it.

My child's chess club is 90% Asian. It is a very large chess club. I cannot believe that every one of those children want to participate in chess. I know they do not because I hear them commenting on the fact that their mother is making them attend chess class. Not all complain, but many do.

You would be very pleased if any of your children were accepted to the university I attended.

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Maybe they're in the chess club because their friends are?

Sorry, dog whistle, you're a racist.

[Anonymous]

Omg! Can we just all be honest and admit each and everyone of us have certain stereotype about certain race and therefore we are all racist, just some more than the other and some hides it better? It is human nature and let's move on!

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Anonymous wrote:Omg! Can we just all be honest and admit each and everyone of us have certain stereotype about certain race and therefore we are all racist, just some more than the other and some hides it better? It is human nature and let's move on!

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Anonymous wrote:FOR THE LAST DARN STINKIN' TIME:

WHAT THE H DOES "JJ' STAND FOR????????

NP. I'm assuming JJ means this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/nyregion/cram-schools-no-longer-just-an-asian-pursuit.html?_r=0

Thanks for the link, PP!
Looks like Atticus Khalif, age 9, is having the time of his life. "It's my terrible 10th time". HAHA!

No, I am getting tired of posting on this, please y'all use Google.

JJ is Chinese shorthand for 'ji-jing' - which is slang for "the real thing" or "the real deal" - meaning real, live, non-retired test questions.

To the racists above - white people do this too. It started in the Asian communities due to cultural factors like national exams for tens of millions of students for entrance into only a few positions in schools or government - (actually traces back to 600ad Chinese national service exam). But the pressure cooker that induces cheating affects many families and many ethnicities - but it manifests in organized cheating primarily in white and Asian HHs. It's not an Asian problem, it's actually a problem for the universities and schools and positions that have made the entrance qualifications too gameable and incentives the long term payoff of cheating (at all costs).

Again, look at the NYC white Wall Street types that have other people take tests for their kids. In fact white ivy legacy isn't too far off from getting questions to the exam...