Clueless kids on bus

[Anonymous]

Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

more like clueless; they're probably just parroting what they've heard at home.
no need to make a federal case out of this.
Maybe FCPS needs to put out a memo telling kids not to say potentially hurtful things to each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Patrols or any other student should report bullying. This behavior is bullying to this girl and will lower her self esteem.

It's hard to see this below, but here is a link to a great presentation at my school on bullying in FCPS.

http://www.fcps.edu/ForestvilleES/2012-13_Events/Forestville%20Parent%20PPT%20revised%20%20July%202012.pdf

I omitted the garbled part, but (1) staff responsibilities, which is what were excerpted, surely are not assumed by safety patrols; and (2) this purported discussion clearly would not fall within the SR&R definition of bullying, in my view.

If you read what I linked to, you would see that everyone is responsible for stopping bullying - staff, students who see bullying, and the student being bullied. I don't think you even read it at all.

I was referring to the portion of the deck that you'd tried to excerpt, which appeared to relate to staff responsibilities. However, the way you presented it was so garbled that it was hard to read.

And the specific incident teed up for discussion does not, in my opinion, fall within either the SR&R or FCPS Training definitions of "bullying." If you believe otherwise, you apparently think any discussion among children about why some don't get into AAP is tantamount to "psychological harassment."

Ill-mannered behavior on the part of the girls in our hypothetical scenario? Probably. Bullying? I think not.

Not pp. Patrols are allowed to address I'll-mannered behavior, not just bullying. If you don't like it that I'll-mannered behavior isn't tolerated on a public school bus, maybe do kiss and ride. It is insane what people will try to justify. Maybe the patrol should have just reported the girls to the principal since I would think she/he has the authority to address I'll-mannered behavior. I'm sure the same people complaining about the patrol just telling them to stop would be asking why he didn't just tell them to stop instead of making a big deal and reporting it to the principal.

Exactly my reaction, watching people step up here to defend the comments of the OP who called AAP kids, as a group, "insufferable."

If the patrol said something like "be nice to each other, girls," on the bus, no problem. But if some older boy decides that, because someone gave him a florescent belt to wear, he gets to decide what much younger kids have to say to each other about who does or doesn't get into AAP, he's mistaken. Sorry.

It's so interesting to imagine the day when your snowflake is made fun of on the bus, or elsewhere, and no one steps in to defend him or her. Let's say you have a daughter and other kids tell her she's "not pretty enough" to be in their club. Or your son is told he's a wimp so he can't play with the other boys. I guess in these scenarios, it's perfectly fine with you if a nearby patrol who witnesses these conversations just completely ignores what's going on. I'm also imagining your outrage when your crushed son or daughter comes home in tears and tells you what happened. Only then will it hit you that yes, this type of behavior is bullying. It's easy to dismiss the whole situation when it's someone else's kid, isn't it?

Meh. You trivialize bullying by setting the threshold so low. Kids shouldn't depend on self-appointed inclusion police to protect them from every comment that potentially might hurt their feelings.

And, in this case, it wasn't the other third graders who decided the third girl couldn't be in their AAP class. It was FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Patrols or any other student should report bullying. This behavior is bullying to this girl and will lower her self esteem.

It's hard to see this below, but here is a link to a great presentation at my school on bullying in FCPS.

http://www.fcps.edu/ForestvilleES/2012-13_Events/Forestville%20Parent%20PPT%20revised%20%20July%202012.pdf

I omitted the garbled part, but (1) staff responsibilities, which is what were excerpted, surely are not assumed by safety patrols; and (2) this purported discussion clearly would not fall within the SR&R definition of bullying, in my view.

If you read what I linked to, you would see that everyone is responsible for stopping bullying - staff, students who see bullying, and the student being bullied. I don't think you even read it at all.

I was referring to the portion of the deck that you'd tried to excerpt, which appeared to relate to staff responsibilities. However, the way you presented it was so garbled that it was hard to read.

And the specific incident teed up for discussion does not, in my opinion, fall within either the SR&R or FCPS Training definitions of "bullying." If you believe otherwise, you apparently think any discussion among children about why some don't get into AAP is tantamount to "psychological harassment."

Ill-mannered behavior on the part of the girls in our hypothetical scenario? Probably. Bullying? I think not.

Not pp. Patrols are allowed to address I'll-mannered behavior, not just bullying. If you don't like it that I'll-mannered behavior isn't tolerated on a public school bus, maybe do kiss and ride. It is insane what people will try to justify. Maybe the patrol should have just reported the girls to the principal since I would think she/he has the authority to address I'll-mannered behavior. I'm sure the same people complaining about the patrol just telling them to stop would be asking why he didn't just tell them to stop instead of making a big deal and reporting it to the principal.

Exactly my reaction, watching people step up here to defend the comments of the OP who called AAP kids, as a group, "insufferable."

If the patrol said something like "be nice to each other, girls," on the bus, no problem. But if some older boy decides that, because someone gave him a florescent belt to wear, he gets to decide what much younger kids have to say to each other about who does or doesn't get into AAP, he's mistaken. Sorry.

It's so interesting to imagine the day when your snowflake is made fun of on the bus, or elsewhere, and no one steps in to defend him or her. Let's say you have a daughter and other kids tell her she's "not pretty enough" to be in their club. Or your son is told he's a wimp so he can't play with the other boys. I guess in these scenarios, it's perfectly fine with you if a nearby patrol who witnesses these conversations just completely ignores what's going on. I'm also imagining your outrage when your crushed son or daughter comes home in tears and tells you what happened. Only then will it hit you that yes, this type of behavior is bullying. It's easy to dismiss the whole situation when it's someone else's kid, isn't it?

Meh. You trivialize bullying by setting the threshold so low. Kids shouldn't depend on self-appointed inclusion police to protect them from every comment that potentially might hurt their feelings.

And, in this case, it wasn't the other third graders who decided the third girl couldn't be in their AAP class. It was FCPS.

Meh. Let us know how you feel when your not-so-pretty daughter or non-athletic son encounters a situation where kids are deliberately saying nasty things to them. I don't think you'll get much sympathy.

[Anonymous]

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

[Anonymous]

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

"Apparently..." And who knows exactly what was said to whom during the "arguing"?

Tell a better story next time. What's lame is your sad effort to craft a little vignette just so you can crap on AAP kids and create a flimsy predicate for your argument that AAP centers should be entirely eliminated.

[Anonymous]

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

"Apparently..." And who knows exactly what was said to whom during the "arguing"?

Tell a better story next time. What's lame is your sad effort to craft a little vignette just so you can crap on AAP kids and create a flimsy predicate for your argument that AAP centers should be entirely eliminated.

You just keep right on denying what these kids said was wrong. It speaks volumes about you.

[Anonymous]

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

"Apparently..." And who knows exactly what was said to whom during the "arguing"?

Tell a better story next time. What's lame is your sad effort to craft a little vignette just so you can crap on AAP kids and create a flimsy predicate for your argument that AAP centers should be entirely eliminated.

You just keep right on denying what these kids said was wrong. It speaks volumes about you.

Kids argue. You need to get over yourself and not try to turn kids into villains because they got into AAP. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

"Apparently..." And who knows exactly what was said to whom during the "arguing"?

Tell a better story next time. What's lame is your sad effort to craft a little vignette just so you can crap on AAP kids and create a flimsy predicate for your argument that AAP centers should be entirely eliminated.

You just keep right on denying what these kids said was wrong. It speaks volumes about you.

Kids argue. You need to get over yourself and not try to turn kids into villains because they got into AAP. Shame on you.

Oh for God's sake. Shame on you for not acknowledging that what these kids said was very rude and hurtful. I'm happy someone stepped in when they did. AAP is really the least of my concerns. I'd feel exactly the same way if kids were belittling another because she wasn't pretty enough, or athletic enough, or what have you. Get over yourself and try empathy one of these days.

[Anonymous]

It's bullying. Period. Are you going to be able to stop it? Probably not.

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Anonymous wrote:It's bullying. Period. Are you going to be able to stop it? Probably not.

If it leaves long-lasting physical or psychological scars, its bullying. To be told by your peers that "you aren't smart enough" to belong to our special group that the school system picked us to be in, is bullying. This child no doubt will self-label as being less intelligent. That label will likely remain in her psyche for years to come until or unless she learns to rise above it.

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Far cry from "bullying" though; unless that means any comment that potentially hurts someone's feelings.

I think that purposefully is the operative word in this case. That does qualify as bullying.

Exactly. These girls knew exactly what they were saying was hurtful and mean.

And you know this how? It's amusing how you think you can somehow discern what two little girls had in mind when you weren't even present when the conversation occurred. You just want to say mean things about the children who got into AAP.

"So my DS came home today and said that he had the distinct pleasure (not) of sitting behind two AAP 3rd grade girls who were crowing about the fact that they were in the "smart" classes at their center school. Apparently they were arguing with another girl, saying they were smarter than her because she is not in AAP."

What's amusing is your truly lame attempt at spinning the above scenario into something innocent and benign. I don't care if these kids are in AAP or not, what they said was flat-out mean. You also weren't there and yet you seem insistent on making this into a scene from Sesame Street. Grow up.

"Apparently..." And who knows exactly what was said to whom during the "arguing"?

Tell a better story next time. What's lame is your sad effort to craft a little vignette just so you can crap on AAP kids and create a flimsy predicate for your argument that AAP centers should be entirely eliminated.

You just keep right on denying what these kids said was wrong. It speaks volumes about you.

Kids argue. You need to get over yourself and not try to turn kids into villains because they got into AAP. Shame on you.

Oh for God's sake. Shame on you for not acknowledging that what these kids said was very rude and hurtful. I'm happy someone stepped in when they did. AAP is really the least of my concerns. I'd feel exactly the same way if kids were belittling another because she wasn't pretty enough, or athletic enough, or what have you. Get over yourself and try empathy one of these days.

So where are the posts harping on similar purported incidents in which one kid was bragging to another about his or her superior looks or athletic skills, with the poster labeling it "bullying," and calling upon an entire community to revamp programs and reach out to children to instill the values of kindness and eschew such comparisons?

If there are any, they pale in number to the steady supply of manufactured posts complaining about the alleged mistreatment of GenEd kids at the hands of "insufferable" and "crowing" AAP students. Your hypocrisy is utterly revolting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's bullying. Period. Are you going to be able to stop it? Probably not.

If it leaves long-lasting physical or psychological scars, its bullying. To be told by your peers that "you aren't smart enough" to belong to our special group that the school system picked us to be in, is bullying. This child no doubt will self-label as being less intelligent. That label will likely remain in her psyche for years to come until or unless she learns to rise above it.

So you assume the impact in order to justify the label. By the same logic, anyone told by their peers they aren't talented enough for the all-star team has been bullied and will no doubt stop playing sports for years to come.

Ridiculous.