Humanize Palestine

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:jsteele, when did wikpedia become an accepted source? You question info but now quote wikpedia? Seriously?

I have studied the Middle East for nearly 40 years. I don't need sources. I provided those for the less informed. Anyone can follow the footnotes provided by Wikipedia or use Google. If there is a topic in my list that you do not believe, please let me know and I will be happy to gather additional information for you.

[Anonymous]

However you challenge others who have, in your view, questionable sources.
You have followed the situation for 40 years and therefore you are an expert who need not cite firsthand sources in lieu of wikpedia?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:However you challenge others who have, in your view, questionable sources.
You have followed the situation for 40 years and therefore you are an expert who need not cite firsthand sources in lieu of wikpedia?

As I said, I was making it easy for others. Please let me know which of my list you doubt and I will find additional sources that meet your satisfaction.

[Anonymous]

Will the OP posting fake pictures of Palestinans just stop and go back to your Hamas rally? Or Hamas tunnel? I hope Israel keeps up this offensive for weeks until every last terrorrist, tunnel, rocket launching pad and the entirety of the Gazan terrorist infrastrucure is destroyed. If all of Gaza has to be razed to do so, let it happen. The people of Gaza are getting what they wanted when they elected Hamas. They wanted a bloodthirsty, war-mongering group built on hatred and war to lead them, so this is what they get after Hamas started another war with Israel. I wish the rest of the world would get out of Israel's way and let them crush these animals. No other country on Earth, ever, has had to put up with a neighbor launching rockets on their civilians on a nearly daily basis, year after year. Fight on, IDF!!!

[Anonymous]

pp, + 1,00,000,000

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jsteele, when did wikpedia become an accepted source? You question info but now quote wikpedia? Seriously?

I have studied the Middle East for nearly 40 years.

I am being completely honest when I say I assumed you were in your 20s at the most, judging by your responses here, actions, "outing" posters, and so on. That's not a complement, but it is what it is.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So you support the bombings in Ireland? Dreadful.

I support the Irish who came to America and made a new life for themselves and became an integral part of American culture.

We just mourned the loss of Nelson Mandela and pretty much everyone recounted what a great man he was and the amazing changes he brought about through peaceful means. I don't know how I could be changing the goal posts when I keep saying that change took place in South Africa through world-wide non-violent commitment to change. That's how it happened.

No one should ever win a political struggle through violent means.

I am not sure to which bombings in Ireland you referring. The armed struggle for Irish independence to which I referred is this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence

I understand that you have limited knowledge of history, particularly history involving Nelson Mandela. But, since political struggle should never be waged by violent means, how do you feel about the Zionist terrorist groups that helped achieve Israel's independence. These include:

The Irgun, led by eventual Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, which blew up the King David Hotel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The Stern Gang, led by another eventual Prime Minister of Israel, Yitzhak Shamir. The Stern Gang assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East and used a truck bomb to destroy the Salam building in Haifa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Gang

The Haganah, who blew up the Christian-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiramis_Hotel_bombing

The Irgun and Stern Gang joined forces to commit the massacre of Deir Yassin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

I assume that you consider it tragic that these proponents of violence against civilians succeeded in their goal of an independent country?

This is what Muslima said on another post (turned my comment into an endorsement of Israel's actions). What does what you have written here have to do with my comments? Why would I endorse the events you just posted when I said I am against people trying to accomplish political goals through violent means? Or do you think those actions justify the Palestinian violence? If you do, then you can't hold it against the Israelis either. Which is sorta my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will the OP posting fake pictures of Palestinans just stop and go back to your Hamas rally? Or Hamas tunnel? I hope Israel keeps up this offensive for weeks until every last terrorrist, tunnel, rocket launching pad and the entirety of the Gazan terrorist infrastrucure is destroyed. If all of Gaza has to be razed to do so, let it happen. The people of Gaza are getting what they wanted when they elected Hamas. They wanted a bloodthirsty, war-mongering group built on hatred and war to lead them, so this is what they get after Hamas started another war with Israel. I wish the rest of the world would get out of Israel's way and let them crush these animals. No other country on Earth, ever, has had to put up with a neighbor launching rockets on their civilians on a nearly daily basis, year after year. Fight on, IDF!!!

Every time I think a supporter of Israel cannot get more vile, another supporter comes along to top it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all the posters advocating peaceful means, when will you begin boycotting companies that do business with Israel? When will you begin demanding the US stop supporting Israel. This and only this is what broke the South Africa Apartheid. Money.

Exactly. It was the boycotting of South Africa, the embargo and complete withdrawal of financial dealings that did them in. NOT blowing people up.

Now that we know it's possible, how can we support people who engage in violence to make these kinds of changes?

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:Will the OP posting fake pictures of Palestinans just stop and go back to your Hamas rally? Or Hamas tunnel? I hope Israel keeps up this offensive for weeks until every last terrorrist, tunnel, rocket launching pad and the entirety of the Gazan terrorist infrastrucure is destroyed. If all of Gaza has to be razed to do so, let it happen. The people of Gaza are getting what they wanted when they elected Hamas. They wanted a bloodthirsty, war-mongering group built on hatred and war to lead them, so this is what they get after Hamas started another war with Israel. I wish the rest of the world would get out of Israel's way and let them crush these animals. No other country on Earth, ever, has had to put up with a neighbor launching rockets on their civilians on a nearly daily basis, year after year. Fight on, IDF!!!

The pictures are fake?? The videos are fake too? Thank God, your thoughts & your wishes do not govern this world. Gaza won't be razed and Palestine will be free. You'd want all Gazans and Palestinians to die but they are the ones who are bloodthirsty. I do not argue with Ignorance, so peace be upon you, take a long breath and relax, Palestine will be free!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Please accept my ignorance but I am looking at a world map on line and can't find a country named Palestine on the map.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all the posters advocating peaceful means, when will you begin boycotting companies that do business with Israel? When will you begin demanding the US stop supporting Israel. This and only this is what broke the South Africa Apartheid. Money.

Exactly. It was the boycotting of South Africa, the embargo and complete withdrawal of financial dealings that did them in. NOT blowing people up.

Now that we know it's possible, how can we support people who engage in violence to make these kinds of changes?

Who was blown up in the past 19 days? Do I need to remind you the facts?

About 5,870 Palestinians have been wounded with 1000+ dead, over 80% civilians

Israeli deaths are 40 soldiers and two civilians.


Who is engaging in Violence?

[Anonymous]

Let us remember those nice Palestinians from the 72 Olympics in Munich.... Such lovely humans....

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:Please accept my ignorance but I am looking at a world map on line and can't find a country named Palestine on the map.

I can't find your brain, so that is totally acceptable!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the OP posting fake pictures of Palestinans just stop and go back to your Hamas rally? Or Hamas tunnel? I hope Israel keeps up this offensive for weeks until every last terrorrist, tunnel, rocket launching pad and the entirety of the Gazan terrorist infrastrucure is destroyed. If all of Gaza has to be razed to do so, let it happen. The people of Gaza are getting what they wanted when they elected Hamas. They wanted a bloodthirsty, war-mongering group built on hatred and war to lead them, so this is what they get after Hamas started another war with Israel. I wish the rest of the world would get out of Israel's way and let them crush these animals. No other country on Earth, ever, has had to put up with a neighbor launching rockets on their civilians on a nearly daily basis, year after year. Fight on, IDF!!!

Every time I think a supporter of Israel cannot get more vile, another supporter comes along to top it.

I am a supporter of Palestine, and I have heard inflammatory language coming from bother sides. That's a fact. And you wonder why peace is so hard to come by.