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04/29/2014 19:53

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I still wonder if they will ever bring up the baby that Peggy gave up for adoption. That is a story line that could get good.

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04/29/2014 20:11

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Anonymous wrote:I still wonder if they will ever bring up the baby that Peggy gave up for adoption. That is a story line that could get good.

It came up a couple of times - at the end of season 2 during the Cuban Missile Crisis where Pete and Peggy were talking about it. It also came up in The Suitcase in season 4 when Don and Peggy had a heart to heart.

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04/29/2014 20:38

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Anonymous wrote:Don treats the women who are important to him harshly. Witness him with Dawn at the beginning of the ep on the phone. Just about the only one he hasn't outright lashed out at when he's in a corner is Sally. I think that would be the writers signaling that he is beyond redemption if he did that. That he still manages to right his ship when dealing with her is about the only positive thing about his relationships with women.

I thought his scene with Roger was FABULOUS and sheds light on this dynamic. It had that same harsh character but was really a negotiation, and he was very very comfortable with it. He and Roger, being equals on paper but Roger having more power at the moment, could speak that way to each other safely. It made me wonder about whether he feels that women have power over him and when he snaps at them he's sort of expecting them to push back as Roger did. It's certainly what he loved about Megan at first (thinking of their fight/foreplay romps).

I must say I am not quite believing his arc in this ep. He sat in the workroom the whole workday, alone for half of it or more, doing what? Thinking what? And then took the offer?

When they offered Don those stipulations, I thought 'Tell them to Eff off Don!" and when he said yes, I was shocked. But I have been thinking...

Of course he said yes. Don needs to be back in the game AND he likes a challenge. He got there and creative was all over him, desperate to get his input. They need him there and now Don knows it. I am sure he knows he can easily overthrow Lou (or make it so miserable for Lou that they will get rid of him). THe partners think he is still crazy Don, but he isn't. He told Megan the truth: No more women, not as much drinking, so he isn't really changing that much of himself right now so these stipulations aren't bad. He has the support of creative, Roger and Pete. He will get it back from Bert and Joan.

Don is now oozing with confidence. He is about to make his comeback.

He was on his way out until Michael called him back in. I think that is when he got his confidence back. He knows they need him there.

I had the same thoughts, although I didn't think about the significance of Creative getting him up to speed, wanting his input etc. Great point. He knows he'll be able to work the system despite the limitations. It should be a great season!

I read the 'offer' for him to get back as an un-vitiation type thing, things that the partners thought he would never agree to so they could punt severing the partnership issue back to Don, make him make the move to leave. So they were hoping he'd turn it down, and on his face it looked like he knew it, and immediately decided to throw it back on them (which was awesome since they all looked kind of like, "ohhhhhh, shit" except Roger). Don went from looking super pissed to sort of bubbly when he said OK, plus he desperately needs to get back to work for his sanity/sense of "Don-ness" and it doesn't make sense to start over at another firm. That was my take on it.

I thought this too. They wanted to drive him away with the stipulations be he called their bluff. The way he said "okay" was priceless!

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04/29/2014 21:08

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Anonymous wrote:Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?

She's angry that Ted dumped her and kept his wife.

I get why she's generally in a grumpy funk, but why is she mad at Don in particular?

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04/29/2014 21:17

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Anonymous wrote:Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?

She's angry that Ted dumped her and kept his wife.

I get why she's generally in a grumpy funk, but why is she mad at Don in particular?

She is mad at Don because he screwed her professionally when he told the client that the Rosemary's Baby idea for the St. Joseph ad was Gleason's last idea, not hers. He also screwed her personally by allowing Ted Chaough to take his place in the LA office, thereby killing Peggy and Ted's relationship.

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04/30/2014 11:34

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Anonymous wrote:Don treats the women who are important to him harshly. Witness him with Dawn at the beginning of the ep on the phone. Just about the only one he hasn't outright lashed out at when he's in a corner is Sally. I think that would be the writers signaling that he is beyond redemption if he did that. That he still manages to right his ship when dealing with her is about the only positive thing about his relationships with women.

I thought his scene with Roger was FABULOUS and sheds light on this dynamic. It had that same harsh character but was really a negotiation, and he was very very comfortable with it. He and Roger, being equals on paper but Roger having more power at the moment, could speak that way to each other safely. It made me wonder about whether he feels that women have power over him and when he snaps at them he's sort of expecting them to push back as Roger did. It's certainly what he loved about Megan at first (thinking of their fight/foreplay romps).

I must say I am not quite believing his arc in this ep. He sat in the workroom the whole workday, alone for half of it or more, doing what? Thinking what? And then took the offer?

When they offered Don those stipulations, I thought 'Tell them to Eff off Don!" and when he said yes, I was shocked. But I have been thinking...

Of course he said yes. Don needs to be back in the game AND he likes a challenge. He got there and creative was all over him, desperate to get his input. They need him there and now Don knows it. I am sure he knows he can easily overthrow Lou (or make it so miserable for Lou that they will get rid of him). THe partners think he is still crazy Don, but he isn't. He told Megan the truth: No more women, not as much drinking, so he isn't really changing that much of himself right now so these stipulations aren't bad. He has the support of creative, Roger and Pete. He will get it back from Bert and Joan.

Don is now oozing with confidence. He is about to make his comeback.

He was on his way out until Michael called him back in. I think that is when he got his confidence back. He knows they need him there.

I had the same thoughts, although I didn't think about the significance of Creative getting him up to speed, wanting his input etc. Great point. He knows he'll be able to work the system despite the limitations. It should be a great season!

I read the 'offer' for him to get back as an un-vitiation type thing, things that the partners thought he would never agree to so they could punt severing the partnership issue back to Don, make him make the move to leave. So they were hoping he'd turn it down, and on his face it looked like he knew it, and immediately decided to throw it back on them (which was awesome since they all looked kind of like, "ohhhhhh, shit" except Roger). Don went from looking super pissed to sort of bubbly when he said OK, plus he desperately needs to get back to work for his sanity/sense of "Don-ness" and it doesn't make sense to start over at another firm. That was my take on it.

I thought this too. They wanted to drive him away with the stipulations be he called their bluff. The way he said "okay" was priceless!

Immediate PP here - yes! That moment was fantastic - he actually pulled off being perky about it! Which made it such a perfect 'eff-you' to the partners. I was dying - so great.

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04/30/2014 11:50

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Ok...let's talk about the scene with Betty and Francine. Do you think Betty is a bit jealous of Francine working? She seemed a bit uptight as Francine was describing her work day. I am always fasinated with Betty and always wondering what is going through her head.

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04/30/2014 12:22

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Anonymous wrote:Ok...let's talk about the scene with Betty and Francine. Do you think Betty is a bit jealous of Francine working? She seemed a bit uptight as Francine was describing her work day. I am always fasinated with Betty and always wondering what is going through her head.

she is hell bent on making people think she's happy and living this picture perfect life and she's where she wants to be. that delusional thinking keeps her miserable but she doesn't realize it. remember at baby gene's party that year - she told Henry "We have everything".

i do think she's a bit jealous of francine. not so much because she's working but she (francine) is figuring out what makes her happy, fulfilled, and a person separate from just being a mom to her kids.

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04/30/2014 20:05

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What DID happen to Peggy's baby? Does her sister have him/her?

How does Pete Campbell land such pretty women?

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04/30/2014 20:09

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