Do you think ADHD is real and/or over prescribed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe in drugging peoplr. ADHD is made up.

That's nice. Where did you earn your PhD in neuroscience? Or do you have an MD?

Just curious OP, did you start this thread so you could type that? Were you disappointed at having to wait until the second screen?

I typed that. I'm not OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU

Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.

I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.

See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.

1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:

2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.

Toxins are indeed a major problem, as is absentee parenting.

Straw man. Every child I know who has ADHD is intensely supervised. Usually there is a parent at home. They are extremely involved in trying to manage the condition. There's no absenteeism.

The evidence shows that when a kid has a SN, family income takes a hit, because one parent stops working, usually the Mom.

[Anonymous]

When people don't like what's being said, they try to derail the discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU

Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.

I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.

See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.

1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:

2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.

Toxins are indeed a major problem, as is absentee parenting.

Straw man. Every child I know who has ADHD is intensely supervised. Usually there is a parent at home. They are extremely involved in trying to manage the condition. There's no absenteeism.

The evidence shows that when a kid has a SN, family income takes a hit, because one parent stops working, usually the Mom.

Evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe in drugging peoplr. ADHD is made up.

That's nice. Where did you earn your PhD in neuroscience? Or do you have an MD?

Just curious OP, did you start this thread so you could type that? Were you disappointed at having to wait until the second screen?

I typed that. I'm not OP.

BTW, you didn't answer the question.

What are your qualifications? What experience do you have with SN kids? You are arguing with the research data and with parents who have personal experience with SN kids. How are you qualified to do so?

Your opinions are ignorant and arrogant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe in drugging peoplr. ADHD is made up.

That's nice. Where did you earn your PhD in neuroscience? Or do you have an MD?

Just curious OP, did you start this thread so you could type that? Were you disappointed at having to wait until the second screen?

I typed that. I'm not OP.

BTW, you didn't answer the question.

What are your qualifications? What experience do you have with SN kids? You are arguing with the research data and with parents who have personal experience with SN kids. How are you qualified to do so?

Your opinions are ignorant and arrogant.

Your opinions are defensive.
-Different poster, btw

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU

Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.

I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.

See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.

1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:

2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.

Toxins are indeed a major problem, as is absentee parenting.

Straw man. Every child I know who has ADHD is intensely supervised. Usually there is a parent at home. They are extremely involved in trying to manage the condition. There's no absenteeism.

The evidence shows that when a kid has a SN, family income takes a hit, because one parent stops working, usually the Mom.

Evidence?

Here you go:

Reports on studies:

Families with autism
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mothers-of-autistic-children-earn-56-less-income-study-says/

Families with ADHD:
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6092.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You know, a lot of kids with ADHD have PARENTS with ADHD. The ADHD in the parents is frequently undiagnosed and untreated. The parent have difficulty organizing herself and difficulty organizing her child. That doesn't mean ADHD isn't real. It means both parents need treatment. Both the parent and the child could benefit from medication in that situation.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9569.html

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2539.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU

Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.

I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.

See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.

1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:

2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.

Toxins are indeed a major problem, as is absentee parenting.

Straw man. Every child I know who has ADHD is intensely supervised. Usually there is a parent at home. They are extremely involved in trying to manage the condition. There's no absenteeism.

The evidence shows that when a kid has a SN, family income takes a hit, because one parent stops working, usually the Mom.

Evidence?

Here you go:

Reports on studies:

Families with autism
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mothers-of-autistic-children-earn-56-less-income-study-says/

Families with ADHD:
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6092.pdf

You mean no one is giving the child's caregiver a paycheck?
We need to change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You know, a lot of kids with ADHD have PARENTS with ADHD. The ADHD in the parents is frequently undiagnosed and untreated. The parent have difficulty organizing herself and difficulty organizing her child. That doesn't mean ADHD isn't real. It means both parents need treatment. Both the parent and the child could benefit from medication in that situation.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9569.html

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2539.html

Who funds additudemag?
Not big pharma, by any chance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You know, a lot of kids with ADHD have PARENTS with ADHD. The ADHD in the parents is frequently undiagnosed and untreated. The parent have difficulty organizing herself and difficulty organizing her child. That doesn't mean ADHD isn't real. It means both parents need treatment. Both the parent and the child could benefit from medication in that situation.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9569.html

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2539.html

Who funds additudemag?
Not big pharma, by any chance?

Nice distraction. Way to avoid the facts.


Here's something in plain language, not from ADDitude. Researcher talking at NYT who cites 76% as the heritability of ADHD.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-adhd-expert.html?pagewanted=all

White paper from University of Colorado on heritability of ADHD:
http://psych.colorado.edu/~willcutt/pdfs/Willcutt_ADHD_genetics_inpress.pdf

ADHD is highly heritable. More heritable than most other mental disorders. Like all mental health issues, it's a nature and nurture problem, but it clearly isn't nurture alone and nuture isn't the greatest part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You know, a lot of kids with ADHD have PARENTS with ADHD. The ADHD in the parents is frequently undiagnosed and untreated. The parent have difficulty organizing herself and difficulty organizing her child. That doesn't mean ADHD isn't real. It means both parents need treatment. Both the parent and the child could benefit from medication in that situation.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9569.html

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2539.html

Who funds additudemag?
Not big pharma, by any chance?

Nice distraction. Way to avoid the facts.


Here's something in plain language, not from ADDitude. Researcher talking at NYT who cites 76% as the heritability of ADHD.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-adhd-expert.html?pagewanted=all

White paper from University of Colorado on heritability of ADHD:
http://psych.colorado.edu/~willcutt/pdfs/Willcutt_ADHD_genetics_inpress.pdf

ADHD is highly heritable. More heritable than most other mental disorders. Like all mental health issues, it's a nature and nurture problem, but it clearly isn't nurture alone and nutu
re isn't the greatest part.

Your parenting is hereditary to, don't you think? And how you deal with stress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU

Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.

I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.

See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.

1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:

2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.

Drug pushing is not a cynical meme, it's a reality. Please read this article and tell me if it doesn't disturb you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?ref=health&_r=0

[Anonymous]

I think it is real but overdiagnosed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You know, a lot of kids with ADHD have PARENTS with ADHD. The ADHD in the parents is frequently undiagnosed and untreated. The parent have difficulty organizing herself and difficulty organizing her child. That doesn't mean ADHD isn't real. It means both parents need treatment. Both the parent and the child could benefit from medication in that situation.

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/9569.html

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2539.html

I think it's over medicated. I know kids with ADHD whose parents were diagnosed after their kid was. Just my experience but the parents went to Harvard, Yale, Cornell and U. of Michigan law schools and did well enough to get federal appellate clerkships: All without medication or accommodations during their schooling where they obviously did very well.
So their ADHD was mild and they learned to compensate for their slow processing and executive functioning skills. I think for SOME kids with ADHD, people (and schools) are too quick to medicate instead of working on organization and coping skills.