New Pope from Argentina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was rooting for "Cardinal Sean" of Boston, but this one will have to do. At least it wasn't Cardinal Weurl, who was mentioned more in the last couple of days as dark-horse because of his "efficient but won't rock the boat managerial style." But that means that Washington is stuck with him for a while longer.

Cardinal Sean Omalley? Then the pope would be Irish right?

Just kidding, I am making fun of other posts about the pope being Italian.

[Anonymous]

I don't see in the reporting whether he was born in Argentina or born in Italy and immigrated with his parents. If he was born in Argentina, then regardless of his heritage, he is Argentinian, in the same way that generations of immigrants came to the US from Ireland, Italy, Germany, El Salvador, Vietnam, and gave birth to first generation US citizens. If he was born in Italy but immigrated as a child, I still think that makes him more Argentinian than not, and I haven't read anything suggesting he came to Argentina as a young adult.

While I think it's kind of ironic that he has Italian heritage, I don't get the sense that anyone in Argentina or the Vatican considers him Italian.

[Anonymous]

As a lapsed catholic who wishes Sister Simone would have been made Pope, I pray that Pope Francis emulates his namesake and focuses on social justice issues, ignores the bedroom issues altogether (gay marriage and abortion), and takes a hard line on abuse by excommunicating everyone who committed abuse or covered it up. Wouldn't that be nice? Scratch that...isn't that just common sense? So why the F can't they figure that out and just DO IT!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

There is always so much ignorance on this forum but this takes the cake! I was a single mother and my son was baptized over 25 years ago. Yes, single-not widowed, divorced, etc... Never married.
Get your facts straight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see in the reporting whether he was born in Argentina or born in Italy and immigrated with his parents. If he was born in Argentina, then regardless of his heritage, he is Argentinian, in the same way that generations of immigrants came to the US from Ireland, Italy, Germany, El Salvador, Vietnam, and gave birth to first generation US citizens. If he was born in Italy but immigrated as a child, I still think that makes him more Argentinian than not, and I haven't read anything suggesting he came to Argentina as a young adult.

While I think it's kind of ironic that he has Italian heritage, I don't get the sense that anyone in Argentina or the Vatican considers him Italian.

He was born in Argentina. He is Argentinian of Italian descent. Just like those of us born here are Americans of whatever descent.

[Anonymous]

Um, PP? Was your kid baptized in South America? Word on the street is that some of those old school priests are a bit hardcore when it comes to stuff like that. And the press has been reporting on it being an issue he came out on by advocating to end such silly practices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Um, PP? Was your kid baptized in South America? Word on the street is that some of those old school priests are a bit hardcore when it comes to stuff like that. And the press has been reporting on it being an issue he came out on by advocating to end such silly practices.

Church doctrine is church doctrine. It is universal. A child can be baptized Catholic anywhere in the world regardless of the marital status of the parents.
But it is so much more fun to believe sensationalized, bigoted reports in the press.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was raised in Argentina, is a citizen of South America and speaks native Spanish. So he is South American. Why is this even a discussion?

Yes, he is South American - which is not the same as Latino. This is like calling a Boer an "African".

Had to google boer to see what you mean. The word means farmer. English fought a war with them in 1900, but such a nationality does not exist. Can you elaborate?

The Boers were Dutch and white; they were South African settlers.

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Lots of old white men up there. What? No black Catholics? No Asian Catholics?

One of the most influential cardinals is from Ghana. Another from Philipines. Get your facts straight. Biggest growth of the church is in Africa.

Yes, I know that. So, why has there never been a black pope? And why, amongst ALL those faces standing next to the pope, we're there. I people of color?

The new pope is Latino.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

[Anonymous]

That's not true. A priest in Rockville, md wouldn't baptize my nephew bc his parents were married by a priest...I'm not kidding. Mom is catholic, dad is non catholic Christian, and they were married by some Internet pastor in a garden. Priest said my BIL would have to take a class to become catholic and they would need to redo their vows with a priest. I'm not lying. I actually called the archdiocese of Washington to inquire and complain, and the woman I spoke with guessed which local priest I was calling about. So, yes PPs....old school priests still stick to their guns on certain issues like this.

[Anonymous]

Meant to say were not married by a priest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not true. A priest in Rockville, md wouldn't baptize my nephew bc his parents were married by a priest...I'm not kidding. Mom is catholic, dad is non catholic Christian, and they were married by some Internet pastor in a garden. Priest said my BIL would have to take a class to become catholic and they would need to redo their vows with a priest. I'm not lying. I actually called the archdiocese of Washington to inquire and complain, and the woman I spoke with guessed which local priest I was calling about. So, yes PPs....old school priests still stick to their guns on certain issues like this.

My husband is non-Catholic and our two children were baptized by different priests in different states. IF these stories are true, errors made by fallible individuals (the priests) are NOT the same as church doctrine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Argentine of Spanish and Italian descent, but call myself Latina sometimes. Why can't I? This pope is just as Argentine as half the people I know here, why are you calling him Italian? Did he apply for citizenship? Not that I know of. Also, he speaks Italian like an Argentine.

You can call yourself Latina! There is always a crew on DCUM that thinks they are the word usage police. Latino, Hispanic, etc...really seems to get them going . Use it in a way that they don't agree with and off with your head!
These are subjective terms, people!


A Proud Hispanic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was raised in Argentina, is a citizen of South America and speaks native Spanish. So he is South American. Why is this even a discussion?

Yes, he is South American - which is not the same as Latino. This is like calling a Boer an "African".

I remember when Theresa Hienz Kerry, who was born in Africa, ruffled some politically correct feathers when she called herself "African-American."

Shows how increasingly useless these labels are.

Yes, they are useless. Thank you, PP! Why is everyone on this DCUM so obsessed with labels. Any forum, any thread, some know it all always has too start debating meaningless labels

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Um, PP? Was your kid baptized in South America? Word on the street is that some of those old school priests are a bit hardcore when it comes to stuff like that. And the press has been reporting on it being an issue he came out on by advocating to end such silly practices.

Church doctrine is church doctrine. It is universal. A child can be baptized Catholic anywhere in the world regardless of the marital status of the parents.
But it is so much more fun to believe sensationalized, bigoted reports in the press.

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