New Pope from Argentina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were a few black "contenders" and a Filipino was one of CNN's top bets. Glad it's a non-European... (and a Jesuit!) seems a step in the right direction, which is pretty much all you can hope for if you think the church is too conservative.

Guess that depends on how you define "european". Isn't the new pope basically Italian (who just happens to be born in Argentina).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There were a few black "contenders" and a Filipino was one of CNN's top bets. Glad it's a non-European... (and a Jesuit!) seems a step in the right direction, which is pretty much all you can hope for if you think the church is too conservative.

Guess that depends on how you define "european". Isn't the new pope basically Italian (who just happens to be born in Argentina).

You are probably, well you and the type of people who populate DCUM are the only ones who view him as such. People who live and have lived in Latin America view him as Argentian. But I know you'd like to make an issue about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

What's unclear?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, best-case scenario, he might change a few things to move the Catholic Church into the 20th century? Awesome. Aim high.

I just wonder why any mentally functioning adult would put stock in any of this bullshit.

The Church's message hasn't changed in the past 2000 years (unlike other faiths). It's still the same message. The difference is the way the message is proclaimed and delivered. For example, the sanctity of life is still the same (therefore, issues such as contaception the act of homosexuality is sinful - the short answer), holding God above all is still paramount. The holy mystery of the Trinity, Etc.

Read the Nicene Creed...which by the way dates back to like 325. Again, not much has changed except for a few phrases recently revised to help with the accuracy and understanding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

What's unclear?

Who told you the Church does not baptize children of single mothers?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

What's unclear?

Who told you the Church does not baptize children of single mothers?

It was mentioned in the news coverage.
From the LA Times:
“In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don't baptize the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage,” Bergoglio told his priests. “These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalize the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptized!”

This is going on in Argentina.

[Anonymous]

As an American Catholic, I have to say that I could not possibly care less who is elected Pope. It won't change one thing. I personally know of many parish priests who love their faith but don't have much respect for the institutional church. They pay it lip service because they have to but then turn around and openly welcome gay people, young couples who live together out of wedlock, etc into their parishes. The "church" is not the Vatican, it is the people. I am grateful that we still have parish priests like this who in their quiet way subvert daily the ridiculous, outdated nonsense that comes out of the Vatican and the American Conference of Bishops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

What's unclear?

Who told you the Church does not baptize children of single mothers?

It was mentioned in the news coverage.
From the LA Times:
“In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don't baptize the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage,” Bergoglio told his priests. “These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalize the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptized!”

This is going on in Argentina.

I've never heard of such nonsense. Certainly, if one looks hard enough, you will eventually find some such nonsense, somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an American Catholic, I have to say that I could not possibly care less who is elected Pope. It won't change one thing. I personally know of many parish priests who love their faith but don't have much respect for the institutional church. They pay it lip service because they have to but then turn around and openly welcome gay people, young couples who live together out of wedlock, etc into their parishes. The "church" is not the Vatican, it is the people. I am grateful that we still have parish priests like this who in their quiet way subvert daily the ridiculous, outdated nonsense that comes out of the Vatican and the American Conference of Bishops.

Some would say that you're not really Catholic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, best-case scenario, he might change a few things to move the Catholic Church into the 20th century? Awesome. Aim high.

I just wonder why any mentally functioning adult would put stock in any of this bullshit.

The Church's message hasn't changed in the past 2000 years (unlike other faiths). It's still the same message. The difference is the way the message is proclaimed and delivered. For example, the sanctity of life is still the same (therefore, issues such as contaception the act of homosexuality is sinful - the short answer), holding God above all is still paramount. The holy mystery of the Trinity, Etc.

Read the Nicene Creed...which by the way dates back to like 325. Again, not much has changed except for a few phrases recently revised to help with the accuracy and understanding.

Catholic here - the changes did nothing to revise accuracy or understanding. They were a ridiculous outgrowth of the institutional church's continued drift toward extreme conservatism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't fathom caring.

+1

Lots of old white men up there. What? No black Catholics? No Asian Catholics?

One of the most influential cardinals is from Ghana. Another from Philipines. Get your facts straight. Biggest growth of the church is in Africa.

Yes, I know that. So, why has there never been a black pope? And why, amongst ALL those faces standing next to the pope, we're there. I people of color?

The new pope is Latino.

Italians that moved to Argentina in South America. He gets to check the Latino box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an American Catholic, I have to say that I could not possibly care less who is elected Pope. It won't change one thing. I personally know of many parish priests who love their faith but don't have much respect for the institutional church. They pay it lip service because they have to but then turn around and openly welcome gay people, young couples who live together out of wedlock, etc into their parishes. The "church" is not the Vatican, it is the people. I am grateful that we still have parish priests like this who in their quiet way subvert daily the ridiculous, outdated nonsense that comes out of the Vatican and the American Conference of Bishops.

Some would say that you're not really Catholic.

And some might say that those people are not truly Christian. To each their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Word is that he wants to end the practice of refusing baptism to children of single mothers. OK, I'll admit, this is not earth shattering progressiveness in action, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

What in the world are you talking about?

What's unclear?

Who told you the Church does not baptize children of single mothers?

It was mentioned in the news coverage.
From the LA Times:
“In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don't baptize the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage,” Bergoglio told his priests. “These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalize the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptized!”

This is going on in Argentina.

I've never heard of such nonsense. Certainly, if one looks hard enough, you will eventually find some such nonsense, somewhere.

Well, right, but that nonsense was uttered by the new pope, about practices under his watch, and it wasn't even slightly difficult to hear about it or find it.