Who is watching Wisconsin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP great question.

The libs feel they can do as they like, no rules, morally bankrupt when they can not get their way.

. This is definitely true but it requires wealth to overlook all the waste, sloppiness, irrational/fantasy-like reasoning and expensive consequences oF liberalism. The money is gone. As liberals begin to deal with reality you can expect screamIng and anger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP great question.

The libs feel they can do as they like, no rules, morally bankrupt when they can not get their way.

. This is definitely true but it requires wealth to overlook all the waste, sloppiness, irrational/fantasy-like reasoning and expensive consequences oF liberalism. The money is gone. As liberals begin to deal with reality you can expect screamIng and anger.

I forgot that George W. Bush and the entire congress from 2000-2008 (the folks who shepherded us into this era of "the money being gone") were all liberal. Whew, good thing we can just blame libs for everything, huh? Sure beats problem-solving or thinking!

[Anonymous]

Gop had congress purse-strings 1994-2006 and dragged Clinton kicking and screaming into a same budget. Absorbed 911 etc. Dems took purse-strings in 2006 and have ruined the economy. GOP may be able to fix things now but if they can't get Obama to buckle like Clinton....sell stocks and buy gold bars.

[Anonymous]

The money is gone because of spending. Liberals spend.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The money is gone because of spending. Liberals spend.

The money is not gone. It has been redistributed to the wealthy. The greatest accomplishment of Republicans has been to convince middle class white males to support taking money from their own pockets to give to the rich.

[Anonymous]

Jeff, why was the Obama Fairytale thread just removed?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:What an interesting situation! For those who haven't been paying attention, the Republican Governor and Republican-controlled State Senate and State House of Representatives are attempting to strip state employees of their collective bargaining rights, lower pensions, increase benefits costs, and a host of other things. State workers and their supporters have risen up in huge protests and have been occupying the the state Capitol building. Unable to stop the Republican measures, Democratic Senators have left the state of Wisconsin. This has deprived the Republicans a quorum and prevented them from voting. The Senate Majority Leader, whose father is the head of the State Police, has ordered the State Police to round up the Democrats. The Democrats left the state to escape the State Police's jurisdiction. Given how close Madison is to the Illinois border, they probably are all in Illinois now. If so, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn, a Democrat, will hopefully treat them hospitably.

First the Superbowl, now this. Go Cheeseheads!

Have you heard this political rally song about the incident?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGc46S7el3U&feature=player_embedded

It isn't great music, but I think it is very catchy, and I think it will spread to become a battle call of the middle class in this fight.

[Anonymous]

Is this a personal political tool for you to censor views you can not address or cope with?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why was the Obama Fairytale thread just removed?

Because you sock puppeted almost all the posts.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Is this a personal political tool for you to censor views you can not address or cope with?

No. We have rules against sock puppets. Rules apply even to conservatives.

[jsteele]

From Tahir Square:

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this a personal political tool for you to censor views you can not address or cope with?

No. We have rules against sock puppets. Rules apply even to conservatives.

Thank you.

Big Brother is alive and well.

I did eat every scrap of evidence this morning before the Salt Police showed up, so ha ha!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The money is gone because of spending. Liberals spend.

The money is not gone. It has been redistributed to the wealthy. The greatest accomplishment of Republicans has been to convince middle class white males to support taking money from their own pockets to give to the rich.

liberals do not understand this, as it is such an oft repeated claim. first, conservatives definitely do not look at rich and poor as us vs them. second, even the poorest conservative believes that through hard work, good education and perhaps a little luck, he too can be "rich" or certainly leave a better life for his children. So when they think of the rich, they don't think of the enemy, they think that too could and will be me.

I agree with all of this too, but I do think there are many pragmatic reasons to keep the rich/poor gap from getting too wide. You don't want everyone to be poor in a democracy, because then they tend to vote themselves more and more redistribution. And if the gap keeps up, (violent) social upheaval is inevitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:note that fed unions cannot collectively bargain for wage increases. note that most southern states are right-to-work, and have experienced higher wage growth than union states. finally, note the implicit unfairness with giving public unions the right to collectively bargain - their main focus is electing politicians that agree with them, who they then "bargain" with for the next package, who then obviously grant them their demands. It is not true arm's length negotiations that you would find in the private sector.

Uh, southern states started out much lower. Of course their wage growth is going to be higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:note that fed unions cannot collectively bargain for wage increases. note that most southern states are right-to-work, and have experienced higher wage growth than union states. finally, note the implicit unfairness with giving public unions the right to collectively bargain - their main focus is electing politicians that agree with them, who they then "bargain" with for the next package, who then obviously grant them their demands. It is not true arm's length negotiations that you would find in the private sector.

Uh, southern states started out much lower. Of course their wage growth is going to be higher.

not percentage growth. growth. look it up.