How soon before liberals ban Christmas?

[Anonymous]

Jesus also said, don't make a big show of your religion like the hypocrites do, by standing on street corners praying so everybody can see you. In other words, big displays don't mean you're a good christian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Generalizers always seem to ascribe the most extreme views of the group they dislike to the entire group.

I apologize that I just generalized about generalizers, but my generalization is at least consistent with what I claimed, right?

I suppose the appropriate response is, "So predictable. You counter-generalizers are all alike".

That's the spirit! But actually I'm unique; just like all the others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The original question shows that the poster does not understand the true meaning and power of Christmas. Read John 3:16.

I understand the true meaning of Christmas you dolt. However I understand that CHristmas in this country has morphed from just a Christian holiday to the largest marketing event of the year. The fact remains that the day itself is a Fed holiday and still associated with Christianity which liberals hate. It makes them feel guilty. Already they've succeeded (somewhat) is having people say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Liberals want to ban every and anything. They know what is best for you and your family.

I think the above is fairly accurate. The banning of "Merry Christmas" (at Christmas) reminds me of the Wonderful O by James Thurber, in which a bitter pirate whose wife fell through a porthole (or mother? can't quite recall) takes over an island town and while searching for treasure begins to ban and destroy everything with O...beginning with lollipops and eventually reaching love, hope etc. I won't give away the ending, but if you haven't read it you should.
Merry Christmas!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The original question shows that the poster does not understand the true meaning and power of Christmas. Read John 3:16.

I understand the true meaning of Christmas you dolt. However I understand that CHristmas in this country has morphed from just a Christian holiday to the largest marketing event of the year. The fact remains that the day itself is a Fed holiday and still associated with Christianity which liberals hate. It makes them feel guilty. Already they've succeeded (somewhat) is having people say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Liberals want to ban every and anything. They know what is best for you and your family.

I think the above is fairly accurate. The banning of "Merry Christmas" (at Christmas) reminds me of the Wonderful O by James Thurber, in which a bitter pirate whose wife fell through a porthole (or mother? can't quite recall) takes over an island town and while searching for treasure begins to ban and destroy everything with O...beginning with lollipops and eventually reaching love, hope etc. I won't give away the ending, but if you haven't read it you should.
Merry Christmas!

Wait a minute. First of all, liberals don't hate it. I'm one and I don't hate Christmas being a federal holiday. So your assertion is false.

Second, it's kind of odd to wish someone a merry christmas - as a Christian Holiday - if the person you are speaking to is not a Christian. Either it's supposed to be a secular holiday, in which you can use it, or it is a Christian holiday in which it is stupid to say "Merry Christmas" to non-Christians. Pick a side, but just one.

No one has enacted a ban on "Merry Christmas". I use it with great frequency, and I have never been charged with a crime.

[Anonymous]

I don't get what you are saying PP. Saying merry Christmas acknowledges a religious holiday - the birth of Christ - December 25th. I have no problem saying it to non Christians - just like I would not be offended if someone wished me happy eid and shared their joy over their religious tradition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get what you are saying PP. Saying merry Christmas acknowledges a religious holiday - the birth of Christ - December 25th. I have no problem saying it to non Christians - just like I would not be offended if someone wished me happy eid and shared their joy over their religious tradition.

I seems kind of backwards. You wish someone happy birthday on THEIR birthday, not yours. You wish someone a happy holiday on the holiday that THEY celebrate because you are honoring the events in THEIR lives.

It's good to not take offense, but what sense does it make for someone to wish you a happy eid when you aren't breaking the fast, you aren't going to a party, you aren't praying? I wouldn't go around wishing Christians a Happy Hanukkah or Jews a Merry Christmas.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so I read through so many of the rants from the previous posters. But I don't think this is such an absurd question from the OP. Technically, Christmas is a religious holiday. And is it not true that liberals believe in separation of church and state? So maybe there wouldn't necessarily be a ban on Christmas. But I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, workers wouldn't always get Dec. 25th off. Maybe at the most, it would no longer be considered a federal holiday and we would have to work that day. But again, I doubt it would be a full out "ban."

You sound much more reasonable than the OP. You're still a twat, but much more reasonable.

Really? I'm a "twat" because I think a relgious holiday might not be recognized by the federal government decades down the road? Wow...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so I read through so many of the rants from the previous posters. But I don't think this is such an absurd question from the OP. Technically, Christmas is a religious holiday. And is it not true that liberals believe in separation of church and state? So maybe there wouldn't necessarily be a ban on Christmas. But I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, workers wouldn't always get Dec. 25th off. Maybe at the most, it would no longer be considered a federal holiday and we would have to work that day. But again, I doubt it would be a full out "ban."

You sound much more reasonable than the OP. You're still a twat, but much more reasonable.

Really? I'm a "twat" because I think a relgious holiday might not be recognized by the federal government decades down the road? Wow...

I don't know about all this "twat" nonsense. But don't ALL of us, as Americans who pledge allegiance to the Constitution, believe in the Separation of Church and State?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yom Kippur is as sacred to religious Jews as Christmas to Christians. It is not a national holiday, it is observed with a seriousness that does not involve running around shopping, and probably serves as a good example of what the Pope would like Christmas to be. It should be the religious right lobbying to get Christmas back in the churches and out of the public sphere.

Hmm. Dunno about that one. Since Christmas is supposedly a celebration to mark the day of the birth of Jesus, generally considered by Christians to be the Saviour, and Yom Kippur is the day of Atonement, a day for repenting of your sins....the two holidays really don't have much in common. It's not like people run around chiping "Happy Yom Kippur!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Sheesh, you must not be a Christian. Didn't you know that Jesus, The Holy Ghost, and "God" are manifestations of the Trinity. So when God speaks in the OT, it is Jesus speaking. When Jesus speaks in the NT, it's God speaking as well.

It's all really very simple. "

Not quite, Goober. There's no trinity in my Christian faith. Sheesh.

How is that possible? What faith is that? This is a serious question, btw.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yom Kippur is as sacred to religious Jews as Christmas to Christians. It is not a national holiday, it is observed with a seriousness that does not involve running around shopping, and probably serves as a good example of what the Pope would like Christmas to be. It should be the religious right lobbying to get Christmas back in the churches and out of the public sphere.

Hmm. Dunno about that one. Since Christmas is supposedly a celebration to mark the day of the birth of Jesus, generally considered by Christians to be the Saviour, and Yom Kippur is the day of Atonement, a day for repenting of your sins....the two holidays really don't have much in common. It's not like people run around chiping "Happy Yom Kippur!"

Quite right, I was making an analogy, not claiming equality. Isn't Christ Mass the origin of the name, and doesn't that imply spending the day in church celebrating the birth of your Savior? Are you claiming that Christmas is a national holiday and not Yom Kippur because Christmas is happy and Yom Kippur is not?

What they have in common is their religious importance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Sheesh, you must not be a Christian. Didn't you know that Jesus, The Holy Ghost, and "God" are manifestations of the Trinity. So when God speaks in the OT, it is Jesus speaking. When Jesus speaks in the NT, it's God speaking as well.

It's all really very simple. "

Not quite, Goober. There's no trinity in my Christian faith. Sheesh.

How is that possible? What faith is that? This is a serious question, btw.

I don't know about this particular poster, but I am aware that there are historically Christians who do not believe in the Trinity :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

I think the crux of the historical issue is that Jesus called himself the Son of God, but the actual idea that there is one God in three Persons took about 300 years to develop. Jesus does say some things in the bible that make it appear that he is not omniscient, which is a bit of a paradox.

[Anonymous]

I doubt "they" will ban Christmas. I don't believe in God, but believe in commerce. As long as it keeps the economic engines running, it will not be banned. Best time to catch the sales. We celebrate Christmas in secular manner. DC loves it. I will take a day off for anyone's religious holiday.

[Anonymous]

Even if, some day, the federal givernemtn DIDN'T give dec. 25th off as a federal holiday -- that still wouldn't be a "ban" on Christmas.

A "ban" would be forbidding people to celebrate Christmas even in their own homes or in their own churches.

As for saying "Meryy Christmas" to complete strangers, when you don't even know if they celebrate Christmas, that's just rude. I know several years ago, some stores tried to recognize this fact by encouraging their employees to stick with a more generic "Happy Holidays" -- the rationale being it was a winer holiday of some kind for Christians and Jews, at least, maybe more groups; and of course New Year's is more of a seculary holiday. So you can just be polite and say "Happy Holidays" to everyone, the same as you can say "welcome" and "Thanks for coming here!" without having to involve a religious greeting.

Saying "Happy Holidays" in NO WAY prevents people from celebrating the religious holiday of their choice.

But for some Christian employees, being told that they should say "Happy Holidays' instead of "Merry Christmas" to strangers seemed like they were not being allowed to "celebrate" Christmas. That's where a big part of this backlash against political correctness came from. People confusing what employees and stores were doing, with what they on their own could be doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, so I read through so many of the rants from the previous posters. But I don't think this is such an absurd question from the OP. Technically, Christmas is a religious holiday. And is it not true that liberals believe in separation of church and state? So maybe there wouldn't necessarily be a ban on Christmas. But I wouldn't be surprised if decades down the road, workers wouldn't always get Dec. 25th off. Maybe at the most, it would no longer be considered a federal holiday and we would have to work that day. But again, I doubt it would be a full out "ban."

Exactly -- I just said to a acolleague TODAY (before reading this thread) that I bet the ACLU will have Christmas banned as a federal holiday in my lifetime. Sure, we can all still celebrate it, but it won't be a day off for the feds anymore.