Why is Toll still allowed to run age group champs?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with above comments, I respect this lady. She is nice if you are nice to her and she’s actually pretty funny if you talk to her. Half the people wouldn’t listen if she wasn’t the way she was. I watched her get at least 100 parents to turn and look at her and do what she asked. Sure, she yells, but it’s because she has to. She’s doing her job. Otherwise no one would listen.

This weekend she let me know I did something wrong… and I apologized and went about my day. 😱 It wasn’t a big deal. The real problem is the many parents who just don’t volunteer. Let’s not pin it on her.

Some people paradoxically like characters like this security lady because she is mean to others but not mean to them. It’s like 5th grade when the bully was mean to everyone but you. Doesn’t mean they aren’t a bully. She sounds terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 for the rude security lady.

DC was doing a time trial which required you to bring your own timer. She wouldn’t let me on deck to time. She was not “familiar” and knew nothing about it, so wouldn’t let me in.

I think most who have volunteered know who this lady is. But, I give her a little grace and just try to minimize my interactions with her and do what I need to do. On the flip side of this coin, she's probably had to evolve to this posture over years of dealing with countless number of entitled swim parents who think their situation/circumstance is special/different and won't take "no" for an answer - so she's built up this front to shut all that down from the get-go. I think she's probably the right person for this job -- maybe not what you would want but what we all need. I know this is a minority/unpopular opinion but I for one, thank her for doing a tough/thankless job.

I just read this thread’s comments to my tween and she just rolled her eyes and said, “It’s the entitled parents who think their kids and situation are special: Welcome to northern Virginia.” Out of the mouth of babes. We love this lady and have made her thank you notes every time we swim at Maryland. My tween loves hanging out with her and made a good point: “What if the WRONG person enters the deck? How would parents feel then?”

Sorry, but there is 0% chance that this is true.

Absolutely. Her tween got home from school and they sat down to read almost 100 comments from this weekend’s swim meet on dcum. That’s what I call good old fashioned family bonding.

Or…or…we were sitting at an appt and I told her how crazy this was and she said, “I love that lady!” So I showed her 8-10 of the messages about the lady (mostly pages 7-9). And my very astute oldest child made the statements she did because she thinks for herself and has lived places other than here for comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 for the rude security lady.

DC was doing a time trial which required you to bring your own timer. She wouldn’t let me on deck to time. She was not “familiar” and knew nothing about it, so wouldn’t let me in.

I think most who have volunteered know who this lady is. But, I give her a little grace and just try to minimize my interactions with her and do what I need to do. On the flip side of this coin, she's probably had to evolve to this posture over years of dealing with countless number of entitled swim parents who think their situation/circumstance is special/different and won't take "no" for an answer - so she's built up this front to shut all that down from the get-go. I think she's probably the right person for this job -- maybe not what you would want but what we all need. I know this is a minority/unpopular opinion but I for one, thank her for doing a tough/thankless job.

I just read this thread’s comments to my tween and she just rolled her eyes and said, “It’s the entitled parents who think their kids and situation are special: Welcome to northern Virginia.” Out of the mouth of babes. We love this lady and have made her thank you notes every time we swim at Maryland. My tween loves hanging out with her and made a good point: “What if the WRONG person enters the deck? How would parents feel then?”

Sorry, but there is 0% chance that this is true.

Absolutely. Her tween got home from school and they sat down to read almost 100 comments from this weekend’s swim meet on dcum. That’s what I call good old fashioned family bonding.

Or…or…we were sitting at an appt and I told her how crazy this was and she said, “I love that lady!” So I showed her 8-10 of the messages about the lady (mostly pages 7-9). And my very astute oldest child made the statements she did because she thinks for herself and has lived places other than here for comparison.

*snort* sure, Jan.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 for the rude security lady.

DC was doing a time trial which required you to bring your own timer. She wouldn’t let me on deck to time. She was not “familiar” and knew nothing about it, so wouldn’t let me in.

I think most who have volunteered know who this lady is. But, I give her a little grace and just try to minimize my interactions with her and do what I need to do. On the flip side of this coin, she's probably had to evolve to this posture over years of dealing with countless number of entitled swim parents who think their situation/circumstance is special/different and won't take "no" for an answer - so she's built up this front to shut all that down from the get-go. I think she's probably the right person for this job -- maybe not what you would want but what we all need. I know this is a minority/unpopular opinion but I for one, thank her for doing a tough/thankless job.

I just read this thread’s comments to my tween and she just rolled her eyes and said, “It’s the entitled parents who think their kids and situation are special: Welcome to northern Virginia.” Out of the mouth of babes. We love this lady and have made her thank you notes every time we swim at Maryland. My tween loves hanging out with her and made a good point: “What if the WRONG person enters the deck? How would parents feel then?”

Sorry, but there is 0% chance that this is true.

Absolutely. Her tween got home from school and they sat down to read almost 100 comments from this weekend’s swim meet on dcum. That’s what I call good old fashioned family bonding.

Or…or…we were sitting at an appt and I told her how crazy this was and she said, “I love that lady!” So I showed her 8-10 of the messages about the lady (mostly pages 7-9). And my very astute oldest child made the statements she did because she thinks for herself and has lived places other than here for comparison.

Like North Korea?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 for the rude security lady.

DC was doing a time trial which required you to bring your own timer. She wouldn’t let me on deck to time. She was not “familiar” and knew nothing about it, so wouldn’t let me in.

I think most who have volunteered know who this lady is. But, I give her a little grace and just try to minimize my interactions with her and do what I need to do. On the flip side of this coin, she's probably had to evolve to this posture over years of dealing with countless number of entitled swim parents who think their situation/circumstance is special/different and won't take "no" for an answer - so she's built up this front to shut all that down from the get-go. I think she's probably the right person for this job -- maybe not what you would want but what we all need. I know this is a minority/unpopular opinion but I for one, thank her for doing a tough/thankless job.

I just read this thread’s comments to my tween and she just rolled her eyes and said, “It’s the entitled parents who think their kids and situation are special: Welcome to northern Virginia.” Out of the mouth of babes. We love this lady and have made her thank you notes every time we swim at Maryland. My tween loves hanging out with her and made a good point: “What if the WRONG person enters the deck? How would parents feel then?”

Sorry, but there is 0% chance that this is true.

Absolutely. Her tween got home from school and they sat down to read almost 100 comments from this weekend’s swim meet on dcum. That’s what I call good old fashioned family bonding.

Or…or…we were sitting at an appt and I told her how crazy this was and she said, “I love that lady!” So I showed her 8-10 of the messages about the lady (mostly pages 7-9). And my very astute oldest child made the statements she did because she thinks for herself and has lived places other than here for comparison.

Mostly pages 7-9 on a 6 page thread. I guess when you talk about living in other places, you mean the future.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

Are the meet directors really the ones deciding to keep the viewing area closed? I’ve never seen that at any other venue, and the same meet directors run many of those meets. The common thread seems to be UMD security

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

Are the meet directors really the ones deciding to keep the viewing area closed? I’ve never seen that at any other venue, and the same meet directors run many of those meets. The common thread seems to be UMD security

Yes. It was printed in the meet announcement for AG Champs and others I’ve read. Further, I’ve experienced this at multiple venues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

Are the meet directors really the ones deciding to keep the viewing area closed? I’ve never seen that at any other venue, and the same meet directors run many of those meets. The common thread seems to be UMD security

The meet announcements now say seating is first come first served provided all necessary volunteer positions are filled. This is their way of saying the seating area won’t necessarily be available if there aren’t enough volunteers. The meet directors are more than happy to have this role taken off their plate and given to her to handle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

Are the meet directors really the ones deciding to keep the viewing area closed? I’ve never seen that at any other venue, and the same meet directors run many of those meets. The common thread seems to be UMD security

The meet announcements now say seating is first come first served provided all necessary volunteer positions are filled. This is their way of saying the seating area won’t necessarily be available if there aren’t enough volunteers. The meet directors are more than happy to have this role taken off their plate and given to her to handle.

DP. And that’s fine, but then she needs to work with the meet director to clearly communicate her expectations to the swimmers, volunteers, and parents before the meet. Otherwise it will just reflect poorly on both the meet director and UMD. If I’m running a meet and I find out that one of the swimmers is crying because the person I am paying to check that swimmer in is yelling at them for something that was not clearly communicated, I’m going to be pissed.

[Anonymous]

i love that this thread on this lady has now spanned multiple pages. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

I WAS that volunteer check-in person down at the door and she wouldn’t let me do my job. She was literally micromanaging how and when I checked folks in, how and when I handed out timer deck passes, when volunteers needed to report and when they could go on deck. I’ve been a meet director many times. Never would I have paid security staff do that job.
I’m sitting in an Inova stand alone ER right now with paid security as well as Inova patient admin and nursing staff. Security sure as heck didn’t manage my check-in, wrist band, check my insurance or call me back to be seen. They’re there to run the metal detector and deal with unruly patients. That’s they’re job!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

The point is that her job is security and not being the meet director or volunteer coordinator. Why is she managing volunteers? Calling for more timers? Deciding when volunteers should be there and when they can go in? She acts like she’s running the show instead of the support role that she’s supposed to fulfill. As others has said, many other meets at many other facilities run just fine with the meet director and their staff managing these things and facility staff and security taking care of their small piece of the puzzle without interfering with meet operations. I seriously watched her radio to someone (announcer?) about how many more timers were needed and whether her staff could open the spectator seating upstairs (due to having said timers). Why the heck is that her job??

The meet directors of the meets at UMD have made that her job. Sure they could recruit for yet another volunteer to fill the volunteer coordinator role, but it is easier for them to continue to let her do it. The meet directors have all decided on this policy of keeping the viewing area closed until they have enough volunteers, and they need a way to enforce that. Someone needs to communicate from the volunteer check in area to the people managing entry upstairs. There are plenty of things you can fault this lady for (yes, making a 10 year old cry for being too early is insane) but this isn’t one of them.

I WAS that volunteer check-in person down at the door and she wouldn’t let me do my job. She was literally micromanaging how and when I checked folks in, how and when I handed out timer deck passes, when volunteers needed to report and when they could go on deck. I’ve been a meet director many times. Never would I have paid security staff do that job.
I’m sitting in an Inova stand alone ER right now with paid security as well as Inova patient admin and nursing staff. Security sure as heck didn’t manage my check-in, wrist band, check my insurance or call me back to be seen. They’re there to run the metal detector and deal with unruly patients. That’s they’re job!

Are you at the ER due to injuries sustained as a result of the UMD lady punching you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming the event is staff is contracted. Can the meet directors just ask for her to be replaced with another contractor employee?

It’s some company called CSC. I think they are contracted by UMD, not the meet directors

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