TJHSST UVA Early Numbers

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

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Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

It's a quota. Every school gets a quota.

Ok but again they're competing with the students at their own school just as they would with college admissions. Quotas aren't inherently "anti-merit". These students have done the best they possibly can in the context of their school.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

-1000

It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

WTH are you smoking? It is fact: if is no longer a meritorious system for the quota reserved spots. Even if you write gibberish that you’ve completely made up.

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The bigger question for me is how deep into TJ did the acceptances go. If 100 accepted, were they the top 100 at TJ. Were there any accepted who were at low end of TJ. Were the acceptances the ones with national awards? This is the info the straight # don’t tell and that would be more interesting to me bc I always know if kid is top 10 at TJ they are getting into good schools. I’m more curious how far out of top 10 when start to not get in and are those GPAs 4.4999 v 4.5 and SAT of 1585 v 1590….

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

WTH are you smoking? It is fact: if is no longer a meritorious system for the quota reserved spots. Even if you write gibberish that you’ve completely made up.

If your kid is so smart they should have no problem getting one of the reserved slots at your school.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

It's a quota. Every school gets a quota.

Ok but again they're competing with the students at their own school just as they would with college admissions. Quotas aren't inherently "anti-merit". These students have done the best they possibly can in the context of their school.

I would agree with you if the criteria were somewhat appropriate. Essay exams? At best, it's like using batting average to choose a basketball team.

If geographic diversity and relative merit is more important than absolute merit, them use a process that measures relative merit. That means standardized tests, recommendations and evaluation of rigor. It is silly that a kid taking geometry honors (which is available for any kids that qualify) offers no advantage over algebra 1. It is silly that aap centers get the same quote as non aap centers.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

Your kids is not going out into the world to compete with their schoolmates.

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Anonymous wrote:The bigger question for me is how deep into TJ did the acceptances go. If 100 accepted, were they the top 100 at TJ. Were there any accepted who were at low end of TJ. Were the acceptances the ones with national awards? This is the info the straight # don’t tell and that would be more interesting to me bc I always know if kid is top 10 at TJ they are getting into good schools. I’m more curious how far out of top 10 when start to not get in and are those GPAs 4.4999 v 4.5 and SAT of 1585 v 1590….

In the past a 4.5 seemed to get you in, even with an Sat in the 1450 range. 4.4 with a 1500 and 4.3 with a 1550. A couple of outliers that I assume were athletic recruits or exceptional in some other way.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

WTH are you smoking? It is fact: if is no longer a meritorious system for the quota reserved spots. Even if you write gibberish that you’ve completely made up.

If your kid is so smart they should have no problem getting one of the reserved slots at your school.

My kid was offered a spot at TJ but we turned it down.

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Anonymous wrote:The bigger question for me is how deep into TJ did the acceptances go. If 100 accepted, were they the top 100 at TJ. Were there any accepted who were at low end of TJ. Were the acceptances the ones with national awards? This is the info the straight # don’t tell and that would be more interesting to me bc I always know if kid is top 10 at TJ they are getting into good schools. I’m more curious how far out of top 10 when start to not get in and are those GPAs 4.4999 v 4.5 and SAT of 1585 v 1590….

In the past a 4.5 seemed to get you in, even with an Sat in the 1450 range. 4.4 with a 1500 and 4.3 with a 1550. A couple of outliers that I assume were athletic recruits or exceptional in some other way.

Athletic recruits from TJ? I'm not sure that makes sense.

They obviously had interesting applications! It doesn't mean they got some secret pass.

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Anonymous wrote:EA:
93 admit
17 withdrew
70=61+9 defer
164 deny

ED:
10 admit
10 defer
29 deny

source: insider

Who would even know this unless they work in UVA admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

Yes, you are.

Just because you put an inhumane amount of pressure on your 12/13 year old to be the best in the world to the point that they'll probably burn out and need therapy by 30 doesn't mean everyone else should be torturing their children to be anything but the best in their own schools. This isn't China.

Your kids is not going out into the world to compete with their schoolmates.

A totally normal amount of pressure to put on a 12 year old. You're a nut

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

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Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

It's a quota. Every school gets a quota.

There is an allotment. Not every school fills every allocated seat. And the wealthy middle schools still send a ton of kids - many more than their allotment - just not quite as many as they did before.

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Anonymous wrote:EA:
93 admit
17 withdrew
70=61+9 defer
164 deny

ED:
10 admit
10 defer
29 deny

source: insider

Who would even know this unless they work in UVA admissions?

Or TJ guidance counselor.