TJHSST UVA Early Numbers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:EA:
93 admit
17 withdrew
70=61+9 defer
164 deny

ED:
10 admit
10 defer
29 deny

source: insider

17 withdrew.
Maybe because these students got in better choice elsewhere?

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Absolutely. UVA is their safety school.

Kinda sounds like a diss to UVA, yet only the top of TJ gets admitted. UVA may be a backup for the relatively few who get into Ivies, but for most kids at this prestigious high school, it’s a match or even a reach.

Right. Over 350 kids from the nation’s top public high school applies, 17 get admitted ED elsewhere and withdraw their applications, and now we’re supposed to believe that UVA is a backup for TJ kids? Heck, for some Yale and Princeton are backups to Harvard. Brown and Dartmouth are backups to Y and P. Cornell is a last-chance Ivy. An overstimulated ego says stupid stuff.

Either you didn't read the thread or misunderstood. The poster saying that UVA is their safety school was referring to the 17 who withdrew and not necessarily to the entire school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

Exactly.

Not all kids attend these wealthy middle schools with a ton of resources and opportunities.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

Oh please the schools that were traditionally feeders to TJ were all in wealthier areas of the counties, with the best teachers and more advanced programs. You can't pretend that the schools here are all equal. And students have had that problem long before this change because being able to do well on the test doesn't actually measure how well students will be able to handle the environment. Just like the SAT it really just measures who has the most money and time to prep for it.

Let me guess, you kid is just a “bad test taker.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

intellectually wealthy not financially.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

DP - I love that you have the nerve to lecture anyone on intelligence while speaking in broken English.

my English broken maybe, facts still facts, amigo!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EA:
93 admit
17 withdrew
70=61+9 defer
164 deny

ED:
10 admit
10 defer
29 deny

source: insider

17 withdrew.
Maybe because these students got in better choice elsewhere?

Had to withdrawal if they got in ED to another school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

DP - I love that you have the nerve to lecture anyone on intelligence while speaking in broken English.

my English broken maybe, facts still facts, amigo!

Sounds like you certainly couldn't pass the test yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

Oh please the schools that were traditionally feeders to TJ were all in wealthier areas of the counties, with the best teachers and more advanced programs. You can't pretend that the schools here are all equal. And students have had that problem long before this change because being able to do well on the test doesn't actually measure how well students will be able to handle the environment. Just like the SAT it really just measures who has the most money and time to prep for it.

Seriously? Wow.

Plenty of studies on this.

DP

Cite one that says the SAT "really just measures who has the most money and time to prep for it."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

Because the average family at Cooper has significantly more money and time to spend on TJ prep?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EA:
93 admit
17 withdrew
70=61+9 defer
164 deny

ED:
10 admit
10 defer
29 deny

source: insider

17 withdrew.
Maybe because these students got in better choice elsewhere?

+1
Absolutely. UVA is their safety school.

Kinda sounds like a diss to UVA, yet only the top of TJ gets admitted. UVA may be a backup for the relatively few who get into Ivies, but for most kids at this prestigious high school, it’s a match or even a reach.

I am not sure why you are taking this so personally. UVA is a great safety school for some kids. DD is at another school (not TJ). At her school, Scoir showed an acceptance rate of 100 with her stats over the past 4 years. So, for DD, UVA was a safety. (And yes, she did get in EA but is going elsewhere).

NP

Naviance showed 100% acceptance for DS's stats to UVA from TJ, but we still did not consider it a safety school. Things change year to year, sometimes dramatically in college admissions and especially to selective colleges. Got into two of HYPSM in the end but we were absolutely thrilled when DS got into UVA and a huge relief.

This is the right approach and the one we took. I've seen too many top kids get rejected from UVA while getting into higher ranked schools. Anyone who treats UVA as a safety or even a target is taking a risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

wealthier schools? top feeder school are all public schools. Of course, the process is broken, if students are returning to base school unable to handle TJ curriculum.

Oh please the schools that were traditionally feeders to TJ were all in wealthier areas of the counties, with the best teachers and more advanced programs. You can't pretend that the schools here are all equal. And students have had that problem long before this change because being able to do well on the test doesn't actually measure how well students will be able to handle the environment. Just like the SAT it really just measures who has the most money and time to prep for it.

This TJ admissions process has been in place for half a decade now. The number of URMs in the freshman class is significantly reduced by the time they are sophomores and further reduced among the students moving on to ivy+ schools.

If the objective is to have a more diverse freshman class at TJ, then mission accomplished.
If the objective was to expose URM stude4nts to high rigor, then it happened at least for the freshman year but less by sophomore year and at the cost of torpedoed GPAs for the kids that returned to their base school and for many that stayed.
If the objective was to use TJ as some sort of pipeline for URM to top colleges, this didn't happen. At all.