TJHSST UVA Early Numbers

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

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Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

Because we have been sending 50+ of those kids back to their base school every year with torpedoed GPAs because they couldn't maintain a 3.0 average and too many of them hang on with sub 3.5 GPAs.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

Because we have been sending 50+ of those kids back to their base school every year with torpedoed GPAs because they couldn't maintain a 3.0 average and too many of them hang on with sub 3.5 GPAs.

Source? And who's "we"? You're not an insider lol just an angry tiger parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying:

EA:
93 admit +
17 withdrew +
70=61+9 defer +
164 deny +

ED:
10 admit +
10 defer +
29 deny =

393 seniors applied?

I am surprised only 393. Could be because UVA is GPA heavily valued school. You need 4.4 atleast from TJ.

UVA has No more essays.
If you have to get into UVA from TJ it has to be applied early. It shows interest.

UVA does not track interest. Applying early is not the advantage at UVA that it is elsewhere. That may change not that they have $60k apps but not he case in the past. the slight bumb accounts for athletes, etc. You have to have top grades and top rigor, have your gpa line up well with those in your school and then they look more holistically. TJ is tough bc so many kids are beyond qualified and would absolutely get in from their home base high school, but they have to draw the line somewhere.

This year https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

Early Decision Applications
Total number of Early Decision applications: 5,108 (4,971 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 3,077 (2,795)
Total number of OOS apps: 2,031 (2,176)

Early Decision Offers
Overall offers: 1,225 (1,282)
Total VA offers: 766 (25% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 459 (23% offer rate)

Early Action Applications
Total number of Early Action applications: 57,495 (41,885 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 13,445 (11,240)
Total number of OOS apps: 44,050 (30,645)

Early Action Offers
Overall offers: 7,151
Total VA offers: 3,071 (23% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 4,080 (9% offer rate)

Total number of RD applications: 26,767 (17,568 last year)
Total RD VA apps: 6,377 (3,319)
Total RD OOS apps: 20,390 (14,049)

Regular Decision Offers
Overall offers: 1,895
Total VA offers: 472 (7.4%)
Total OOS offers: 1,423 (6.9%)

Total applications: 82,118 (64,463)
Total VA applications: 19,964 (17,608)
Total OOS applications: 62,154 (46,855)

Total offers of admission: 10,287
Total VA offers: 4,317 (22%)
Total OOS offers: 5,970 (10%)

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

Because the average family at Cooper has significantly more money and time to spend on TJ prep?

And yet we know that is not what happens at places like stuyvesant ijhn NYC where 50% of the students are on free/reduced lunch.

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Steps that got our kid into UVA:

1. Lots of reading ages 1-5
2. Speaking home country language at home
3. Decent pre-school. Nothing fancy.
4. Sports, lots of sports (team and individual).
5. Catholic school k-8. They learned great study habits, strong language arts, discipline.
6. Low ranked public high school (fcps) where they easily stood out from the crowd. Plus had time for many extra curriculars.

Skip TJ, if UVA is your goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

Because the average family at Cooper has significantly more money and time to spend on TJ prep?

And yet we know that is not what happens at places like stuyvesant ijhn NYC where 50% of the students are on free/reduced lunch.

Funny how you're ignoring that NYC schools have free prep for the SHSAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

Because the average family at Cooper has significantly more money and time to spend on TJ prep?

And yet we know that is not what happens at places like stuyvesant ijhn NYC where 50% of the students are on free/reduced lunch.

Not comparable. Drawing from very different populations and they offer loads of free resources for MS kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

Exactly

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I’d never send my kid to TJ. Too much competition. If they are smart enough to get into TJ they’ll be a superstar at regular high school and have higher chance getting in. Plus the high school does not look fun at all

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

It's a quota. Every school gets a quota.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Using standardized tests is not "giving wealthy schools a preference"

Also, why wouldn't you expect a student at Poe to outperform the top student at cooper on a standardized test?

Because the average family at Cooper has significantly more money and time to spend on TJ prep?

And yet we know that is not what happens at places like stuyvesant ijhn NYC where 50% of the students are on free/reduced lunch.

Funny how you're ignoring that NYC schools have free prep for the SHSAT.

And we did too when we used the SHSAT. But for equity reason w3e kept shifting the test around so that it was tougher to prep for.

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Anonymous wrote:Tjhsst is not what it used to be before pandemic. Now admissions are not merit based, but diversity focused. UVA admissions is responding accordingly

Oh so it's not merit enough to be one of the top students in your middle school just because it doesn't perform as well as the wealthier schools? Sounds like you think merit is really just giving spaces to those who are able to buy their way into TJ.

This is inaccurate. If the top 15 kids don’t apply to TJ, the top kids aren’t even considered. If a kid is 17th and applies but at another HS would be 60th, that kid kids in.

The new system captures kids in a way that is not meritorious.

NP

Why do you think kids deserve to be punished for going to a MS with less resources and opportunities? They don't have any control over boundaries. They're still indisputably at the top of their class - so I don't know why you're acting like they aren't smart enough to handle TJ because because someone at Rachel Carson had a higher score. The people who are upset about this are just angry they can't pay their way into TJ anymore.

What post were you responding to? You’re either doing acceptances based on merit only or on other metrics. You’re then making up a story about how even mentioning non-meritorious admissions means the person must want kids from lower socioeconomic areas to be punished. Never said, never implied.

I don't think any of this is confusing. The new system takes the top students that apply from middle schools across the county as a whole rather than a select few higher-performing schools. The people arguing against this new system think those schools deserve preference. It's a public school funded by everyone who pays taxes to Fairfax, not just the residents of Vienna and Mclean and Oak Hill. No less "merit-based" than how public universities in Virginia try to pull students from across the entire state. If you think this new system is just about DEI you clearly just think the students at lower tier middle schools don't deserve the same opportunities. They outshine everyone else in their school. What more could you possibly want from them? I certainly don't expect someone at Poe to ever be able to outperform the top student at Cooper.

Then this is not an acceptance system based on merit alone. If the kid at Cooper performs well above a kid at Poe but is not admitted because Poe gets to send its share of applicants, then the kid with the higher stats is kept out and a lower stats kid is admitted. I am not saying anything good or bad about the system, just saying what the system is.

Still sounds like merit within their own school. I think it's pretty unfair to ask a middle schooler to have to compete with every single other middle schooler in the county. Why is a smart kid at Poe less deserving because they have had worse teachers/extracurricular options/elective options? If that was how admissions worked, TJ and ACL would shut most of the other kids in Nova out of UVA and W&M. And Nova would shut out students most other places in the state.

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It isn’t merit if it is a guaranteed spot in each school for x-number of applicants. Nothing about merit there.

Wrong

The majority of seas at TJ are based on a quota. Even within schools the students are selected based on an essay. A math and science school is choosing students based on an essay.

I wish they would let the faculty at TJ select the students because they seem to do a pretty good job of selecting froshmores.