Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think the private schools have too much socioeconomic diversity. Their annual financial aid budgets are enormous and there is very little return on these funds.

It would be smart for them to decrease the financial aid budgets and spend that money elsewhere such as academic programming or new facilities that benefits the students.

I 100% disagree.

Of course, you probably depend on financial aid handouts. The grift of financial aid is real. People argue about inequality when they really just want other people’s money.

You already have access to public education but you want to turn that down so wealthy donors can pay for you to attend a country club type of school instead. Got it.

Wow you are angry, aren't you. I could afford my kids' private school and your kids' and not even have it affect me in any meaningful way. You are kidding yourself if you don't see that the people winning at private schools are the admin getting high 6 figure salaries. Why don't they use that money to benefit the students?

You said it yourself - we are supporting the job market through private funds rather than using tax payer dollars tha could be used for those in poverty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hypocritical to have a racially diverse student body that is disproportionately wealthy?

No. It’s to be expected. Does it state anywhere that people pretend to want SES mixing? Isn’t that why people move to “good” public schools too - with neighborhoods that are relatively homogenous? We all want better education for our children and pay in one way or another to get it.

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues, or feelings that one does not actually possess, often characterized by behavior that contradicts stated principles. It involves insincerity, such as condemning a behavior in others while practicing it oneself. Examples include people moving to public school for higher SES diversity but that school only drawing from a wealthy catchment area.

Who is the real hypocrite?

Such as a $60k school stating on its website that it seeks to make sure that diversity, social justice, and inclusivity are foundational principles. Just delete this language. It’s so obviously performative.

But they DO care about those things - just not in the way you want them to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

I don’t try to dictate how other people spend their money. So yeah, I think it is fine. They are private schools.

Now let’s talk about public schools, where as a taxpayer, I should have a say. Why aren’t you complaining about the rich vs the poor public schools? Look at any of the DC or close in suburbs. Let’s take Arlington. There is a stark difference between the wealthiest and poorest schools.

Arlington literally has a dividing line.

Amongst which kids are segregated. Plus look at all the advanced programs dominated my the wealthier kids - why aren’t you focused on changing that!

Because this is the privates forum. But nice attempt at deflection to avoid self-reflection.

Why post here then if people are really worried about SES segregation?!

Sounds like you need some self reflection. . . And maybe a better education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

I think it’s great. There is enough diversity with scholarships and other things like that given to particularly meritorious students. This is how it should be. I live in an extremely expensive area with high-end real estate, but our local MCPS high school is a disaster because you simply cannot keep out lower income families where the kids have real behavioral issues. It’s very scary, there is violence, shootings, kids with ankle monitoring bands and more. This is not good for the kids. And although my kids are not being raised in a bubble, I like that most of their friends can have similar lifestyle to them and aspire to the same type of lives as grown-ups. People in this country really underestimate how mixing up so economic diversity is also difficult for the kids. We need to stop using kids social experiments and aspire to better.

Your kids are being raised in a bubble. Own it.

[Anonymous]

I think OP is trying to say that many elite private school families are the equivalent of NIMBYs. They preach about social justice and inclusivity yet ensure that their daily lives aren’t impacted by the things they say everyone else should be striving for. That seems to be the hypocrisy OP is attempting to point out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it hypocritical to have a racially diverse student body that is disproportionately wealthy?

No. It’s to be expected. Does it state anywhere that people pretend to want SES mixing? Isn’t that why people move to “good” public schools too - with neighborhoods that are relatively homogenous? We all want better education for our children and pay in one way or another to get it.

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues, or feelings that one does not actually possess, often characterized by behavior that contradicts stated principles. It involves insincerity, such as condemning a behavior in others while practicing it oneself. Examples include people moving to public school for higher SES diversity but that school only drawing from a wealthy catchment area.

Who is the real hypocrite?

Such as a $60k school stating on its website that it seeks to make sure that diversity, social justice, and inclusivity are foundational principles. Just delete this language. It’s so obviously performative.

But they DO care about those things - just not in the way you want them to.

No, they don’t. Not in the way most of the world understands social justice.

The cognitive dissonance for the students must be deafening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

I don’t try to dictate how other people spend their money. So yeah, I think it is fine. They are private schools.

Now let’s talk about public schools, where as a taxpayer, I should have a say. Why aren’t you complaining about the rich vs the poor public schools? Look at any of the DC or close in suburbs. Let’s take Arlington. There is a stark difference between the wealthiest and poorest schools.

Arlington literally has a dividing line.

Amongst which kids are segregated. Plus look at all the advanced programs dominated my the wealthier kids - why aren’t you focused on changing that!

Because this is the privates forum. But nice attempt at deflection to avoid self-reflection.

Why post here then if people are really worried about SES segregation?!

Sounds like you need some self reflection. . . And maybe a better education.

Why try to divert the conversation away from the topic - private schools?

[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about socioeconomic diversity, a private school is not really the place that inherently offers that, as they charge tuition (most quite a hefty sum). However, some privates offer a healthy percentage of families financial aid of some sort. Those offering more families financial aid packages would be more likely to have some socioeconomic diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This question was ridiculous and not worth all the analysis. I’m going to go be productive with my day.

This. OP is trying to make some grad point, but it's obtuse.

She should go back to civics and econ class and get a better grip on the problem that's actually needling her (ie, widened income distribution due to inflated asset values).

Sure, so socioeconomic segregation is fine in private schools I guess.

[Anonymous]

People will always use what money they have to get better-than. If we have universal health care, they will buy extra private. If we have mass transit, they will pay the tolls. If we have education for all, they will buy a higher grade.

If your kid was in a terrible school wouldn't YOU send them to a private even if it was financially painful?

[Anonymous]

If I wanted socioeconomic diversity I would put my kids in some terrible public school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This question was ridiculous and not worth all the analysis. I’m going to go be productive with my day.

This. OP is trying to make some grad point, but it's obtuse.

She should go back to civics and econ class and get a better grip on the problem that's actually needling her (ie, widened income distribution due to inflated asset values).

Sure, so socioeconomic segregation is fine in private schools I guess.

It's fine everywhere else, why not schools? Neighborhoods, clubs, offices, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

I think it’s great. There is enough diversity with scholarships and other things like that given to particularly meritorious students. This is how it should be. I live in an extremely expensive area with high-end real estate, but our local MCPS high school is a disaster because you simply cannot keep out lower income families where the kids have real behavioral issues. It’s very scary, there is violence, shootings, kids with ankle monitoring bands and more. This is not good for the kids. And although my kids are not being raised in a bubble, I like that most of their friends can have similar lifestyle to them and aspire to the same type of lives as grown-ups. People in this country really underestimate how mixing up so economic diversity is also difficult for the kids. We need to stop using kids social experiments and aspire to better.

Your kids are being raised in a bubble. Own it.

We built the bubble intentionally. Why do you have a problem with how we choose to raise our kids, when there is neglect and abuse of children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to dc and I noticed the stark difference between the two types of segregation. Private schools are happy if they are racially diverse, but not so happy to be diverse in terms of socioeconomic groups. If find this attitude a bit schizophrenic. Do you think this is ok?

I think it’s great. There is enough diversity with scholarships and other things like that given to particularly meritorious students. This is how it should be. I live in an extremely expensive area with high-end real estate, but our local MCPS high school is a disaster because you simply cannot keep out lower income families where the kids have real behavioral issues. It’s very scary, there is violence, shootings, kids with ankle monitoring bands and more. This is not good for the kids. And although my kids are not being raised in a bubble, I like that most of their friends can have similar lifestyle to them and aspire to the same type of lives as grown-ups. People in this country really underestimate how mixing up so economic diversity is also difficult for the kids. We need to stop using kids social experiments and aspire to better.

Your kids are being raised in a bubble. Own it.

Nope. No more than other kids. Do you think it’s safe or smart the kids have to code switch to move between the worlds they’re in.? learn to dodge of violence and scary adult themes at school and then go back to their safe wonderful homes? It’s not. My kid is experiencing neurological calm and appropriate development. He doesn’t have to live in fight or flight. He is very sensitive and travel travels internationally to tons of places, he knows what the world is like and he will do great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is trying to say that many elite private school families are the equivalent of NIMBYs. They preach about social justice and inclusivity yet ensure that their daily lives aren’t impacted by the things they say everyone else should be striving for. That seems to be the hypocrisy OP is attempting to point out.

It doesn’t SEEM to us out of hypocrisy. You should probably look outside yourself at other’s perspectives, then you would understand.