Mad Men Rewatch: Joan Halloway

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Anonymous wrote:I like the class commentary. It’s clear Joan is working class even though exceptionally beautiful and intelligent. Roger likes sleeping with her but never seriously offers her marriage or stability. He does marry Jane though, even though she is a secretary and Don marries Megan. Is it implied that Megan and Jane are higher social class?


I don't think you can think about class as this cleanly delineated on Mad Men. It's NY in the 1960s, not the 1860s. Class structures have already been upended a few times. There is the question of being "from money" but then there are also differences between "old money" and new money. You also have multiple self-made characters who are given a lot of respect (including Don).

Megan's family does not seem to have much money, but Megan's dad is an academic and Megan appears to be well educated. She's also bilingual. This wouldn't impress someone like Pete's mother, who is old money and would view Megan as little better than a prostitute given that she had to work for a living before "marrying up." But it does impress Don and people like Ken and Peggy, who are middle class and not well traveled.

Jane strikes me as a classic gold digger, what Joan would be if she weren't so interesting. She's not from a wealthy background and doesn't seem to have a college degree. She's a bad secretary. But she's stunning, and she (and likely her family) were betting that a year or two as a secretary in some kind of NY firm (could have been a bank, a law firm, advertising, whatever) would land her a wealthy husband. She also sets her sights high from the start -- she doesn't mess around with the more junior men in the office. She knows exactly what she's doing but she's not from a wealthy family. She's looking to move up via marriage.


I also rewatched Mad Men recently and for some reason I thought Jane was a recent college grad.


People also need to remember that women's colleges up through the 1960s aren't always the Seven Sisters like Barnard, Vassar, Radcliffe that actually focused on women's education vs. training them up to be wives and mothers.

Plenty of junior 2 year womens colleges where you could just go for a bit where your parents still just hoped for you to meet a guy at a local university that was still mostly male. There were lots of "programs" where female students could take classes at those universities or colleges and the goal was still definitely the MRS degree.

My mom went to the former Russell-Sage college in Albany NY where the goal was to snag an engineer husband out of RPI

She was very open about it


Correction - I should have looked it up first. My mom went to Russell-Sage in Troy which is next to Albany

There was a Sage college in Albany and there was apparently a merger just a few years ago to give RS an Albany location

(My mom passed in 2024)


My MIL went to one of those schools. So did my FIL's aunt. They were called business schools, but I think the curriculum meant typing and how to format cover letters.


And maybe how to use the mimeograph machine.
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Do Joan and Betty ever interact in the show?
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Anonymous wrote:Do Joan and Betty ever interact in the show?

I think they may have early on when Betty brought the kids for portraits and Don was out of the office banging Midge. It might have just been Peggy though.
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Anonymous wrote:Do Joan and Betty ever interact in the show?

I think they may have early on when Betty brought the kids for portraits and Don was out of the office banging Midge. It might have just been Peggy though.


That was Peggy.

Peggy brought it up to Joan. But Joan and Betty did not interact there.
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