Mad Men Rewatch: Joan Halloway

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

They were cheated on and humiliated.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

Yeah, like Melinda Gates had a dream life of being a pampered billionaires wife.












Until her husband’s philandering with barely legal Russian prostitutes left her with STDs.

But who cares about that, she should be grateful to be married to a billionaire right?

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Anonymous wrote:Class actually plays a huge part in why the Mad Men marry the women they do or treat women the way they do.

Joan is stunningly beautiful and intelligent but it’s obvious she has a working class background and is not educated. Upper class and upper middle class men admire her looks and have no problem sleeping with her and dating her but are not interested in making her their wife.

The closest she gets is with Roger but he is did not want to leave Mona for her. Later on he asks her to be with him but at that point Joan is not interested.

Betty is upper class and has her pick of upper class men wanting to wife her up. Don selected her as his wife as she elevated his status as an Ad executive. She is beautiful, educated and refined. Later on even her very large pregnancy bump doesn’t detract from Henry Francis eying her and then marrying her. Henry is posh and rich and Betty is just the kind of women he wants to be married to.

Megan is upper middle class with an academic for a father and an artist for a mother. She is well educated, speaks French and has a bohemian and artistic streak. Don marries her because she is sophisticated, beautiful and amazing with his kids. She is not a downgrade from Betty!

Betty spoke Italian!

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

Yeah, like Melinda Gates had a dream life of being a pampered billionaires wife.












Until her husband’s philandering with barely legal Russian prostitutes left her with STDs.

But who cares about that, she should be grateful to be married to a billionaire right?

Melinda was a feminist girl boss with a BA and MBA who met Bill at work. She was a junior Microsoft executive.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

They were cheated on and humiliated.

So what? Girl bosses cheat and are cheated on too. Ex. the viral Coldplay scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

I feel like you didn't watch the show. Pete, Roger, and Don all cheat on their wives extensively. Pete impregnates a secretary while he's engaged to Trudy, and later rapes a nanny in their apartment building. Don not only has a series of affairs, including with his kids' teacher, but also engages in a wide variety of self-destructive behavior including going on weird benders in California while covering up the fact that he stole his identity from a dead man he got killed in Korea. Roger spends years cheating on Mona, and is also fully in love with Joan, before finally marrying Jane, who is the same age as his daughter.

You don't even have to be a feminist to think these men treated their wives badly. You just have to be a person. Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

This is the main theme of the series. The American Dream: not a dream.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

I feel like you didn't watch the show. Pete, Roger, and Don all cheat on their wives extensively. Pete impregnates a secretary while he's engaged to Trudy, and later rapes a nanny in their apartment building. Don not only has a series of affairs, including with his kids' teacher, but also engages in a wide variety of self-destructive behavior including going on weird benders in California while covering up the fact that he stole his identity from a dead man he got killed in Korea. Roger spends years cheating on Mona, and is also fully in love with Joan, before finally marrying Jane, who is the same age as his daughter.

You don't even have to be a feminist to think these men treated their wives badly. You just have to be a person. Come on.

Oh I forgot about the time Don left his son's birthday party to go get drunk and then comes home with a dog. OMG can you imagine being married to him?

There was also the time he had an affair with the agent of a comedian who was essential to one of his accounts, and then he and the agent get into a car accident while Don was driving drunk. Don winds up paying Peggy to keep the agent at her apartment for a week until her injuries heal, so the comedian doesn't find out and blow up the account (he finds out and blows up the account anyway, lol).

Yeah, real dream guys. What a catch!

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of her wasn't super into being married. Like if she were living in 2026 she'd be single or a serial monogamous. Even if subconsciously, she wasn't putting out marriage vibes.

+1 And later it’s revealed in a conversation with an old friend that she had already been married and divorced before we meet her in the show.

This explains all you need to know.

Previous marriage + birth control = doesn't need to marry again unless wants to

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

And this person completely missed the message lol

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Indeed! It’s painful to see these beautiful and smart women married to lackluster men and trapped into the limited roles of wife and home maker. There isn’t one positive romantic relationship portrayed on the show. Well I suppose Henry is a good husband to Betty.

Pete, Roger, and late bloomer Don were multi-millionaire ad executives. Their “dumb” wives were pampered high status SAHMs. That is the dream life outcome of every woman for millennia… up until women started having their brains fried by subversive feminism within the last 50 years.

I feel like you didn't watch the show. Pete, Roger, and Don all cheat on their wives extensively. Pete impregnates a secretary while he's engaged to Trudy, and later rapes a nanny in their apartment building. Don not only has a series of affairs, including with his kids' teacher, but also engages in a wide variety of self-destructive behavior including going on weird benders in California while covering up the fact that he stole his identity from a dead man he got killed in Korea. Roger spends years cheating on Mona, and is also fully in love with Joan, before finally marrying Jane, who is the same age as his daughter.

You don't even have to be a feminist to think these men treated their wives badly. You just have to be a person. Come on.

Oh I forgot about the time Don left his son's birthday party to go get drunk and then comes home with a dog. OMG can you imagine being married to him?

There was also the time he had an affair with the agent of a comedian who was essential to one of his accounts, and then he and the agent get into a car accident while Don was driving drunk. Don winds up paying Peggy to keep the agent at her apartment for a week until her injuries heal, so the comedian doesn't find out and blow up the account (he finds out and blows up the account anyway, lol).

Yeah, real dream guys. What a catch!

Wait, remember when Rodger insists on trying to have sex with a pair of twins from the Doublemint gum commercial, and this leads to him having a heart attack and Don having to call Mona to tell her. OMG, swoon! If only my brain weren't so addled by feminism, I might have landed a gentleman like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of her wasn't super into being married. Like if she were living in 2026 she'd be single or a serial monogamous. Even if subconsciously, she wasn't putting out marriage vibes.

+1. She "wanted" the white picket fence because she believed she was supposed to want the white picket fence. When she realized that the husband was never going to give it to her she was out of there.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was class commentary. Joan is beautiful so she can be the mistress of a guy like Roger, but she doesn't have the background that Betty had so no man like that is going to wife her up (at least not until he's older/stupider, which is what Roger eventually does). So she had to work her way up and out before she could snag a doctor. A doctor who, though deeply flawed, was also a striver. Even though it didn't work out, obviously.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing personality type into the mix, she is supposed to be an ISTJ. She's trying to make logical choices. she had love affairs along the way but i think she knew better than to try to make that into something serious. It was suppose to make sense that she held out and married a doctor. She didn't bank on him being abusive and nuts. Then from that position she did what she could to make something for herself.

I’m surprised Joan didn’t figure out that the doctor was a loser…she is good at reading people generally. But then again she does make questionable romantic decisions: Roger and having his baby!

Trudy also seems savvy and clever but is married to the turd that is Pete. It does seem to imply the 60s ideal of domesticity was a false bill of goods. Most of the married women end up miserable

Trudy IS savvy and clever - but she's not from old money/blue blood like Pete was. Her family's wealth buys her way into that upper social echelon. We don't actually see a lot of this socially in Mad Men, but it's there with Pete's connections, the fact that no one at Sterling Cooper likes him but they won't get rid of him, etc.

And Trudy didn't want something else. She wanted exactly what she got.

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Anonymous wrote:I think part of her wasn't super into being married. Like if she were living in 2026 she'd be single or a serial monogamous. Even if subconsciously, she wasn't putting out marriage vibes.

+1 And later it’s revealed in a conversation with an old friend that she had already been married and divorced before we meet her in the show.

This explains all you need to know.

Previous marriage + birth control = doesn't need to marry again unless wants to

She was married and divorced? I don’t remember that story point at all. The truth is, Joan felt time ticking and that her window of opportunity was closing and that’s why she married greg. She wanted to land someone with status bc yes, she was a working girl and *thought* she wanted to live the lives of all the corporate wives she saw around her (her aspiration). It didn’t work out according to plan and she realizes she had to go get it for herself. Remember, after she got canned from McCann, she was only given a small portion of her stock as payout. She hoped to live the life she aspired to but in the end realizes she doesn’t want a sugar daddy to provide it bc she finds meaning in work and wants to put her fate into her own hands. Roger was her one true love on the show, but she realizes with time, how unserious of a fop he was. She could never truly respect him again after choosing and marrying Jane (what she was waiting for years to happen to her). Roger was unwilling to marry an equal; this is why he chose Jane.