AI job apocalypse and electrical bill nightmare. Does the current admin even care?

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

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Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

Don't know where you get your numbers from. We spent 350 Billion on Biden's IRA which had exactly zippy to do with Inflation Reduction. We have nothing to show for it. Was it for kickbacks back to Biden and the DNC? Was that its purpose?

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Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

I tend to agree in fact Biden's AI executive order which Trump rescinded is more to blame.

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/

The title is safe a trustworthy AI development, but in practice it imported as many AI professionals as possible accelerating AI. Biden directly ordered the agencies to find ways to import AI talent. Made AI a schedule AI occupation where they didn't have to do labor searches to get green cards etc.

I am so thankful that Trump eliminated that EO.

EG he has done something, and I think he is likely the right guy to oversee this process for American interests.

I've been saying this for years we never had to come this fast in technology. We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of software engineers each year.

This is what Democrats asked.

Ok, but try to follow me here. I’ll make it easier for you, since you went off on a tangent and I would like to know your opinion:

What effects are TRUMPS tariffs having on the economy and job market?

What are the effects of TRUMPS mass government layoffs on the job market and economy?

What are the effects of people slowing down spending once Trump was elected because of economic concerns on the job market?

You keep on harping on Trump! Trump
and Biden and everyone in Washington is to blame for this! No one gave a damn that AI would take everyone’s jobs and that it could maybe in a worse case scenario lead to AGI exterminating humans because everyone in Washington is paid off by Big Tech.

Now it is too late. The fox is in the hen house. We are literally all doomed. They have companies that are literally making robots that will have AI built into them. How do think that will end for humanity?

The U.S. doesn’t regulate industry. They let it happen organically. You also have really bought into the AI hype. AI isn’t very good right now. It’s in its infancy. The training models are meh and they haven’t solved the hallucinations yet. I work with AI and am taken aback at the hype surrounding it. Much of it is from Silicon Valley because they need to secure future investment. AI isn’t going to be replacing folks soon. In the future, yes. But don’t look to the government for technology policy. They barely can use a cell phone.

How is this in any way comforting and how does in disprove PPs post?

We need more engineers and people who know about this issue, not geriatric lawyers with no knowledge of or interest in tech.

We need lawyers to sue everyone for equity and make everyone equal through grievance politics.

Sincerely,

Modern Day Democrat

[Anonymous]

Electricity prices are mostly due to state level policies. State law is what determines how much regulated utilities (like electricity companies) can raise rates and how they allocate costs for infrastructure improvements. The President has very little direct impact on your electricity rates. If you are upset about rising electricity prices it would be more productive to complain to your state legislators and governor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

Don't know where you get your numbers from. We spent 350 Billion on Biden's IRA which had exactly zippy to do with Inflation Reduction. We have nothing to show for it. Was it for kickbacks back to Biden and the DNC? Was that its purpose?

Not that PP, but...

Did we keep our jobs while inflation dropped under Biden, such that the US economy fared better than any other country also impacted by post pandemic inflation? Yes.

Do we have massive job loss and inflation growth under Trump along with a dramatic increase in the national debt? Yes.

Was I better off financially under Biden? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

Don't know where you get your numbers from. We spent 350 Billion on Biden's IRA which had exactly zippy to do with Inflation Reduction. We have nothing to show for it. Was it for kickbacks back to Biden and the DNC? Was that its purpose?

Not that PP, but...

Did we keep our jobs while inflation dropped under Biden, such that the US economy fared better than any other country also impacted by post pandemic inflation? Yes.

Do we have massive job loss and inflation growth under Trump along with a dramatic increase in the national debt? Yes.

Was I better off financially under Biden? Yes.

DP to add, if you want to whatabout with kickbacks to a President, you must really, really, really, really HATE Trump? Or are you just a hypocrite and you excuse Trump when you would foam at the mouth if Trump was a Democrat for the sh*t Trump does?

[Anonymous]

Nova residents uploading electric bills showing that their bills have nearly doubled in one year….

https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/s/SvEXu3BRvb

[Anonymous]

No, this administration does not care, to the extent that it’s about to make states caring illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Electricity prices are mostly due to state level policies. State law is what determines how much regulated utilities (like electricity companies) can raise rates and how they allocate costs for infrastructure improvements. The President has very little direct impact on your electricity rates. If you are upset about rising electricity prices it would be more productive to complain to your state legislators and governor.

While it is true that state level public service commissions set rates, the president is encouraging massive investment in data centers which are huge energy hogs. It is retail energy consumers who end up "paying the price" for it, particularly when there is no federal policy around renewable energy or energy resiliance where it comes to these data centers.

[Anonymous]

No, the current Republican administration does not care; this is a feature for their billionaire donors who now pay less in taxes and get electricity to run their data farms for a low low price.

It's just the rest of us who have to pay.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe how dystopian this all is. So people will lose their jobs because of AI and then have to pay for the data centers for AI to replace them. Spectacular!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

Don't know where you get your numbers from. We spent 350 Billion on Biden's IRA which had exactly zippy to do with Inflation Reduction. We have nothing to show for it. Was it for kickbacks back to Biden and the DNC? Was that its purpose?

DP. Those number are good. We got solar, wind and grid storage which accounted for 93% of the new grid electrical generation this year. Even with Trump canceling grid solar and wind projects as they are coming online it will still account for 80-90% of the new power generation in the US for the next 5 years.

The US got 23 EV battery manufacturing plants that produced over 240,000 jobs and 112 billion in private funding for $23 billion spent. Over all the IRA created 400,000 new jobs a year, improved the grid(look at Texas), invested in nuclear, eased transition to an electrical based economy.


I can see you are confusing Biden with Trump. Trump and the Republicans are totally corrupt- kick back, fraud, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electricity prices are mostly due to state level policies. State law is what determines how much regulated utilities (like electricity companies) can raise rates and how they allocate costs for infrastructure improvements. The President has very little direct impact on your electricity rates. If you are upset about rising electricity prices it would be more productive to complain to your state legislators and governor.

While it is true that state level public service commissions set rates, the president is encouraging massive investment in data centers which are huge energy hogs. It is retail energy consumers who end up "paying the price" for it, particularly when there is no federal policy around renewable energy or energy resiliance where it comes to these data centers.

The federal government also has a huge influence on what new energy projects get built, transmission infrastructure and rules, and the wholesale electricity market, all of which are the big contributors to how much supply there is.

[Anonymous]

Now that Trump has authorized NVDA advanced chips be sold to China, the US advantage in AI will diminish. This is as much a gift to China as Trump pulling out of the TPP.

I can't wait for Trump to sell out Taiwan next year for the Triple Lindy.