AI job apocalypse and electrical bill nightmare. Does the current admin even care?

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

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Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

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Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

Not that PP, but if you are lucky enough to not have your electrical bill impacted by AI, or rich enough that it doesn't matter to you, congrats.

However, it is impacting electrical bills where I live.

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Trump has gotten rid of mandates on renewable energy, and eliminating restrictions on fossil fuels to generate electricity. This will help meet the growing demand for energy.
He is also allowing more oil drilling, and more development of nuclear power.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the data centers aren't paying for the electricity they use. I have a meter on my house that determines my electric bill. Why isn't it the same for data centers? I am truly befuddled by this.

The data centers do pay for electricity. But what they do is, they buy in bulk once a year at a rate negotiated with the regional utility provider. Because they buy in bulk, they end up paying less than average residential customers per kilowatt hour. The generating capacity for electricity has not kept up with the increase in demand. So now you have the same fixed amount of electricity, but there’s a lot more demand. Basic economics tells you that the price has to go up and the household buyer is the one who really gets screwed because they do not buy in bulk and they have to pay seasonal rates. That’s why there’s now a lot more focus on trying to ramp up nuclear generating facilities. But those are still 5 to 10 year projects. In the meantime, it would be a lot quicker to install masssolar installations, not only in industrial size in rural fields, but also in urban areas on as many rooftops as possible. That’s much quicker to scale up than building a nuclear power plant.

If this is the case then either the utility companies are failing on their projections or the data centers aren't adequately informing the utility companies. Either way, the residential ratepayers should not be the ones left holding the bag on the delta.

Sure, what is Trump's plan here? His head is in his Lincoln bathroom toilet, certainly doesn't seem like he cares about us peons while he gets richer every day.

this issue is already solved, the private sector starting w/ amazon is in the process of building small nuclear reactors to power each data center. its a win win

I have close friends working in this sector. The reactor equipment has manufacturing delays of 5+ year queues. And even then, it still takes 3+ years to build an SMR between site prep and installation. This is clearly better than the lead time for a normal nuclear reactor - 10-15 years between planning and construction.

NatGas turbines have similar 5-7+ year manufacturing backlogs.

So we are still largely f#cked for the next 5 years minium with skyrocketing electricity costs.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

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Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

Not that PP, but if you are lucky enough to not have your electrical bill impacted by AI, or rich enough that it doesn't matter to you, congrats.

However, it is impacting electrical bills where I live.

I guess the point is that the problem is on the Demand side. If you produce more, they'll just use it. I don' think it'll actually change the rates that will be charged or anything. Might even make the problem worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

Not that PP, but if you are lucky enough to not have your electrical bill impacted by AI, or rich enough that it doesn't matter to you, congrats.

However, it is impacting electrical bills where I live.

I guess the point is that the problem is on the Demand side. If you produce more, they'll just use it. I don' think it'll actually change the rates that will be charged or anything. Might even make the problem worse.

For example, my impression of the AI is if you make electricity cheaper, they'll just use more. We need the rates to go up for there to be any motivation to reduce usage.

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Anonymous wrote:“Stock gains are no longer correlated to jobs numbers.”

Tell me you have no idea what you’re talking about without telling me.

Using tired cliches like “tell me without telling” makes you sound particularly dim. Not a good way to get your point across.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

Not that PP, but if you are lucky enough to not have your electrical bill impacted by AI, or rich enough that it doesn't matter to you, congrats.

However, it is impacting electrical bills where I live.

I guess the point is that the problem is on the Demand side. If you produce more, they'll just use it. I don' think it'll actually change the rates that will be charged or anything. Might even make the problem worse.

It is already impacting people's rates

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/

https://www.businessinsider.com/energy-conservation-hacks-data-center-costs-2025-10

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

Not that PP, but if you are lucky enough to not have your electrical bill impacted by AI, or rich enough that it doesn't matter to you, congrats.

However, it is impacting electrical bills where I live.

I guess the point is that the problem is on the Demand side. If you produce more, they'll just use it. I don' think it'll actually change the rates that will be charged or anything. Might even make the problem worse.

It is already impacting people's rates

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/

https://www.businessinsider.com/energy-conservation-hacks-data-center-costs-2025-10

Correct. The only way to protect yourself is to get solar on your roof and become your own power generator. We have a 10.125KWh system on our roof in DC and it covers about 115% of our annual electricity use (we have nat gas heating). The DC region gets a lot of sunshine. I literally pay $21/month for the interconnection fee to Pepco and that’s it. If you have money sitting in your bank account, it’s the best thing you can buy right now. Even before the skyrocketing rates I was looking at a 25% IRR for the next 25 years. The more electricity rates go up, the more it pays off.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP. You are fine with subsidizing farmers to a tune of 203 billion a year so they can sell cheap soybean and corn to the Chinese. You are happy to spend 80 billion to develop nuclear reactors with a Canadian company. Oh by the way nuclear is the most expensive source for electricity costing 2-4 times more vs any other type. Close after that is NG. You are happy to pay $15,000 -$20,000 tax for a new car made by maga unions in the US vs a new car from overseas. New cars in the US average cost $50,000. Oversea new cars cost $30,000.

Now spending $7 billion of over 10 years for commercial and residential solar development is just too much! The cheapest and easiest way to increase the electrical grid you cry and scream no! I want to pay higher electricity bills to pay for data centers. Remember unlike you data centers will pay significantly less per kWh vs you.

With government backing residential solar could provide 45% of 2022 base load. Residential solar generates 1.5% now. So cancel the 80 billion on nuclear, invest 20 billion on residential solar power and solve your 2-3% electrical demand growth for 10 year with no price increase while saving 60 billions. You say no that is virtue signaling.

You scream blood murder at a $7,500 rebate for EV that would cost 14 billion from 2023-2033. EVs sale world wide are 20% of the car market now and are growing at 32% each year to 2032. That will be a 6-7 trillion a year industry the US will be shut out of because 14 billion over 10 years makes you unhappy.

Here is something really radical. Pay 220 billion to install electrical heat pumps in every house. This is less than what farmers will get with the bailout and normal subsidies this year. This would reduce residential electricity demand by 35-45%. This would save 21 billion a year(not including the project increase in electricity). In ten years it would pay for itself.

Oh that’s right. This is a hard no! You would rather pay 4.5 trillion meet the 2-3% demand growth in the next ten years by building coal, NG and nuclear plants.

Slow clap

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Anonymous wrote:Get solar on your home. Even with the tax credits going away, they will end up net profitable within 5-6 years given skyrocketing electricity costs.

Folks in NoVA are going to get it so bad when it comes to sticker shock. Yall are absolutely f#cked.

Anonymous wrote:
Clean energy is the cheapest and fastest to deploy. That's why there is so much clean energy built in China and the rest of the world. It's not because of climate and global warming (although it is clearly better for our environment). Trump is killing the industry. Trump will set back innovation for decades.

We need every type of energy to support these data centers and Trump wants to focus on coal and gas. Coal and gas can't supply enough energy. We need clean, nuclear, LNG, hydrogen. We need ALL of it, yet Trump thinks it's 1950.

We actually don't need coal. It's too expensive and dirty.

I don't think I need to subsidize Tesla drivers and AI owners with panels on my house.

And thank you for not looking down your nose at me. Take your virtue signaling tail somewhere else.

DP... How weird of you, to think that Tesla owners and AI owners are the only power needs, and that somehow renewables and clean energy are only good for those particular use cases. Personally I'd never in a million years buy a Tesla from nutjob Elon - my next car is likely going to be a Toyota plug-in hybrid.

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Anonymous wrote:It is becoming very clear thar AI is already having a detrimental impact on jobs. The current administration wants to withhold regulation on AI for at least ten years per the BBB and just let it happen though this specific part was thankfully overturned so the states can regulate it.

Meanwhile, AI is already destroying jobs - even if initial losses are white collar, it will eventually impact blue collar jobs as well. The current administration seems to be using tariffs to fuel manufacturing job growth here, but this seems quite fruitless thus far relative to job losses and is just making household goods more expensive, taxing all of us.

Meanwhile, the data centers keep multiplying, use excessive electricity and water. Our power infrastructure cannot seem to support this and the current admin does not actually seem to want to make our electrical bills cheaper. They are halting renewable energy and investing in more expensive coal.

Lastly, the majority of the stock market gains are driven by a relatively small number of AI stocks; stock gains are no longer even correlated to job numbers. This appears to be a unsustainable bubble that will pop and tank everyone's retirement savings when it does.

This seems like a dystopian nightmare that impacts everyone; political affiliation does not matter. Furthermore, I see no evidence that the current administration even cares how this is impacting people.

I agree that as a nation and a species we are going to regret this last 16 years as having wasted our best last chance to ameliorate our biggest threats but I think AI and electricity production will not make the top 5 issues.

1. Demographic decline : for the last 50 years 1st world countries have produced smaller families. This has been offset by improving life expectancy but we are at the end of that dynamic . Almost all of our systems (from social security to housing values) are based on an assumption of an ever increasing population. We could help the problem with increased immigration but as we see there is not an appetite for that anywhere in the 1st world.

2. Fiscal end: for years most of the first world has out spent it’s economy: we are coming very close to a point where the largest expenditure for most industrialized countries will be interest on the debt - at that point in time you’ll see financial pressure on governments that will be almost unbearable.

3. Environmental crisis: at this point, almost anybody of good faith recognizes that the impacts of human development on the environment are extreme.. but long before we see apocalyptic sea level rise we will see apocalyptic insurance premium rise making large portions of the most valuable real estate in the world worthless.

4. Breaking down of rules based international order. We see in Ukraine in the Middle East and now with Venezuela the breakdown of rules based order. no one is going to the UN anymore to get permission to invade or to interdict. Future conflicts will be bloodier and more difficult to solve because we no longer respect the institutions we had just a few years ago.

5. Social divide - whatever you think about Charles Murry he nailed it with his book coming apart. America is divided into two distinct cultures one a rural, faith based culture and the other an urban, achievement culture these two cultures are mutually, exclusive and naturally hostile to each other making our politics not just difficult but dangerous.

good luck everybody.

On number 4, wars are becoming less lethal over time. The world wars of 20-30 million dead are probably gone unless nukes become involved.

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Anonymous wrote:I”m not sure AI is the real issue here. It is a handy bogey man for the trump admin to hang a poor economy and lower employment rate on. Yes, SOME jobs are to AI, but tariffs and horrible economic policies (cutting government jobs, people scared to buy) are also hurting the economy.

AI isn’t the only issue in our economy, but it IS an issue Trump isn’t directly responsible for.

I tend to agree in fact Biden's AI executive order which Trump rescinded is more to blame.

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/

The title is safe a trustworthy AI development, but in practice it imported as many AI professionals as possible accelerating AI. Biden directly ordered the agencies to find ways to import AI talent. Made AI a schedule AI occupation where they didn't have to do labor searches to get green cards etc.

I am so thankful that Trump eliminated that EO.

EG he has done something, and I think he is likely the right guy to oversee this process for American interests.

I've been saying this for years we never had to come this fast in technology. We didn't need to import hundreds of thousands of software engineers each year.

This is what Democrats asked.

Ok, but try to follow me here. I’ll make it easier for you, since you went off on a tangent and I would like to know your opinion:

What effects are TRUMPS tariffs having on the economy and job market?

What are the effects of TRUMPS mass government layoffs on the job market and economy?

What are the effects of people slowing down spending once Trump was elected because of economic concerns on the job market?

You keep on harping on Trump! Trump
and Biden and everyone in Washington is to blame for this! No one gave a damn that AI would take everyone’s jobs and that it could maybe in a worse case scenario lead to AGI exterminating humans because everyone in Washington is paid off by Big Tech.

Now it is too late. The fox is in the hen house. We are literally all doomed. They have companies that are literally making robots that will have AI built into them. How do think that will end for humanity?

The U.S. doesn’t regulate industry. They let it happen organically. You also have really bought into the AI hype. AI isn’t very good right now. It’s in its infancy. The training models are meh and they haven’t solved the hallucinations yet. I work with AI and am taken aback at the hype surrounding it. Much of it is from Silicon Valley because they need to secure future investment. AI isn’t going to be replacing folks soon. In the future, yes. But don’t look to the government for technology policy. They barely can use a cell phone.

How is this in any way comforting and how does in disprove PPs post?

We need more engineers and people who know about this issue, not geriatric lawyers with no knowledge of or interest in tech.