Admission process transparency

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked in admissions for years, mostly at one that was grades 6-12 (not in this area but just as competitive and crazy) and the reality is when you have more qualified applicants than spots, you have the luxury of weeding out high drama families. OP should consider that fact carefully.

Are you implying that most admissions offices have a way to identify anonymous internet posters and match them to applicants?

I’m guessing if OP is half as annoying when interacting with admissions people as she is on these boards her kids would be denied from every school no matter their other qualifications. No school wants a problem family.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

Stop applying to these schools then, they don’t want you and it makes you tired.

Stop with all of these nonsense threads OP, you are getting nowhere and your signature formula of question about inequality + tireless arguing about your rights + sarcasm toward everyone who disagrees with you = thread getting locked or abandoned. There is a reason people don’t want you in their community

Why do private schools parents get so threatened whenever someone points out something about their system that's not ideal?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

That wasn’t me with the tax code argument. I am the one waiting for you to show where you have a right to this information.

Or is that a bogus claim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in admissions for years, mostly at one that was grades 6-12 (not in this area but just as competitive and crazy) and the reality is when you have more qualified applicants than spots, you have the luxury of weeding out high drama families. OP should consider that fact carefully.

Thanks for this.

The Admissions Office granting admission to the "high drama" families sentences the faculty and staff to four or more unpleasant years of dealing with them.

The more insistent, entitled and engaged you are in the process, the higher the likelihood the Admissions people are going to identify you as someone that will be an on-going challenge for staff, faculty and coaches throughout your DC's tenure.

These groups sometimes look back at the Admissions staff and say, "How could you do this to us?" and "Couldn't you see these people were going to be problems?"

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

Stop applying to these schools then, they don’t want you and it makes you tired.

Stop with all of these nonsense threads OP, you are getting nowhere and your signature formula of question about inequality + tireless arguing about your rights + sarcasm toward everyone who disagrees with you = thread getting locked or abandoned. There is a reason people don’t want you in their community

Why do private schools parents get so threatened whenever someone points out something about their system that's not ideal?

It is not ideal for you, but the system works great for others. Your repeated arguments against a system you don’t understand are ineffective and just show your ignorance.

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I think there are real concerns by parents on the transparency of the admission process in schools. For some reason some parents from private schools find the topic offensive, and like to bully the people that posts very reasonable arguments. I think the thread will benefit from providing good arguments rather than insults.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

That wasn’t me with the tax code argument. I am the one waiting for you to show where you have a right to this information.

Or is that a bogus claim?

I think you're confused about what a right is and where you get rights from, PP

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

Stop applying to these schools then, they don’t want you and it makes you tired.

Stop with all of these nonsense threads OP, you are getting nowhere and your signature formula of question about inequality + tireless arguing about your rights + sarcasm toward everyone who disagrees with you = thread getting locked or abandoned. There is a reason people don’t want you in their community

Why do private schools parents get so threatened whenever someone points out something about their system that's not ideal?

It is not ideal for you, but the system works great for others. Your repeated arguments against a system you don’t understand are ineffective and just show your ignorance.

When all you have left are ad hominem attacks, you're losing

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

That wasn’t me with the tax code argument. I am the one waiting for you to show where you have a right to this information.

Or is that a bogus claim?

I think you're confused about what a right is and where you get rights from, PP

Asking for clarification from OP about the source of the right they claim to have. Can you help OP?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

That wasn’t me with the tax code argument. I am the one waiting for you to show where you have a right to this information.

Or is that a bogus claim?

I think you're confused about what a right is and where you get rights from, PP

Asking for clarification from OP about the source of the right they claim to have. Can you help OP?

I don't see anything in OP's post about having a right to anything, so still can't follow what you're trying to get at here.

OP's post:

"I know several families who feel burned out by the admissions process and by being rejected multiple times by elite schools without really understanding the difference between their children and the admitted applicants. Is the system truly working, or is there room to improve transparency? Even if the process is highly competitive, I would feel much better if there were hard data to back up the rejection decisions. Do you have the same impression?"

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

Stop applying to these schools then, they don’t want you and it makes you tired.

Stop with all of these nonsense threads OP, you are getting nowhere and your signature formula of question about inequality + tireless arguing about your rights + sarcasm toward everyone who disagrees with you = thread getting locked or abandoned. There is a reason people don’t want you in their community

Why do private schools parents get so threatened whenever someone points out something about their system that's not ideal?

It is not ideal for you, but the system works great for others. Your repeated arguments against a system you don’t understand are ineffective and just show your ignorance.

When all you have left are ad hominem attacks, you're losing

Not the PP, but his or her post is pretty much spot on.

Don't like the rules of the game? Don't play.

Admissions decisions are frequently much more subjective than objective and are in response to the many needs of the constituencies on campus. It's a combination of art and science and transparency isn't going to work.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

You don’t have a right to know.

Yes, I do.

You want to know, but you have no right to know. Do I have a right to know your personal finances? No, that’s private information

I don't receive preferential tax treatment based on my non-profit status and service to the greater good of the community, so of course you have no right to know how I spend my money.

Then you should be looking to revise the tax code.

Thanks for admitting that your argument was bogus

That wasn’t me with the tax code argument. I am the one waiting for you to show where you have a right to this information.

Or is that a bogus claim?

I think you're confused about what a right is and where you get rights from, PP

Asking for clarification from OP about the source of the right they claim to have. Can you help OP?

I don't see anything in OP's post about having a right to anything, so still can't follow what you're trying to get at here.

OP's post:

"I know several families who feel burned out by the admissions process and by being rejected multiple times by elite schools without really understanding the difference between their children and the admitted applicants. Is the system truly working, or is there room to improve transparency? Even if the process is highly competitive, I would feel much better if there were hard data to back up the rejection decisions. Do you have the same impression?"

“I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.”

Can you help this poster? Can OP? OP seems confused.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

This same OP starts dozens of nonsense threads and then argues with everyone until it gets locked or people tire of her. Always some accusation of discrimination and unfairness that makes no sense. My thoughts are that this OP should find a new hobby.

I'm sorry you think it's nonsense to want transparency in the admissions process. It's an exhausting process, and we have the right to know so we don't get so tired applying to all these schools

Stop applying to these schools then, they don’t want you and it makes you tired.

Stop with all of these nonsense threads OP, you are getting nowhere and your signature formula of question about inequality + tireless arguing about your rights + sarcasm toward everyone who disagrees with you = thread getting locked or abandoned. There is a reason people don’t want you in their community

Why do private schools parents get so threatened whenever someone points out something about their system that's not ideal?

It is not ideal for you, but the system works great for others. Your repeated arguments against a system you don’t understand are ineffective and just show your ignorance.

When all you have left are ad hominem attacks, you're losing

Not the PP, but his or her post is pretty much spot on.

Don't like the rules of the game? Don't play.

Admissions decisions are frequently much more subjective than objective and are in response to the many needs of the constituencies on campus. It's a combination of art and science and transparency isn't going to work.

If there is nothing to hide, the best policy is always transparency. As a previous poster mention, the process is draining and if you have information that you don’t satisfy some criteria in advance, you apply for another school. It saves time and energy to everyone.