Admission process transparency

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

The point is that you don’t deserve to know. You are not entitled to any private school or their data. What is not clicking

It truly shows that it’s some of your first times to not get what you want and it’s laughable.

Then why do other things in society like landlords have to publish statistics about who applies for their apartments and who gets the lease? Companies tell every applicant to a job why they didn't get it and who did, what their qualifications were, etc. It's the only way to ensure there's no discrimination. Why do private schools not have to do this?

What jobs are you applying for? The bolded has never been my experience, either as an applicant or doing the hiring.

I'm truly sorry for families whose mediocre white boys aren't being accepted, but you'll need to make peace with it without blaming discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

[Anonymous]

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Then why do other things in society like landlords have to publish statistics about who applies for their apartments and who gets the lease? Companies tell every applicant to a job why they didn't get it and who did, what their qualifications were, etc. It's the only way to ensure there's no discrimination. Why do private schools not have to do this?

I'm not sure what types of jobs you're talking about, but in the private sector, this is most definitely not standard practice. I do a lot of hiring. We tell unsuccessful applicants that they didn't get the job and not much beyond that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Then why do other things in society like landlords have to publish statistics about who applies for their apartments and who gets the lease? Companies tell every applicant to a job why they didn't get it and who did, what their qualifications were, etc. It's the only way to ensure there's no discrimination. Why do private schools not have to do this?

I'm not sure what types of jobs you're talking about, but in the private sector, this is most definitely not standard practice. I do a lot of hiring. We tell unsuccessful applicants that they didn't get the job and not much beyond that.

This is why there is so much discrimination at your job then. With no data and opaque process, I am sure it is bad.

[Anonymous]

These threads are always the same, and there's ALWAYS and undercurrent of racial animus hiding right behind the "I just want to know the data."

Parents of mediocre white boys cannot imagine that their child was rejected just because, and they must always imagine that "their" spot went to a transgender former street kid from Dehli or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

The point is that you don’t deserve to know. You are not entitled to any private school or their data. What is not clicking

It truly shows that it’s some of your first times to not get what you want and it’s laughable.

Then why do other things in society like landlords have to publish statistics about who applies for their apartments and who gets the lease? Companies tell every applicant to a job why they didn't get it and who did, what their qualifications were, etc. It's the only way to ensure there's no discrimination. Why do private schools not have to do this?

What jobs are you applying for? The bolded has never been my experience, either as an applicant or doing the hiring.

I'm truly sorry for families whose mediocre white boys aren't being accepted, but you'll need to make peace with it without blaming discrimination.

Wow. That’s quite a leap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Then why do other things in society like landlords have to publish statistics about who applies for their apartments and who gets the lease? Companies tell every applicant to a job why they didn't get it and who did, what their qualifications were, etc. It's the only way to ensure there's no discrimination. Why do private schools not have to do this?

I'm not sure what types of jobs you're talking about, but in the private sector, this is most definitely not standard practice. I do a lot of hiring. We tell unsuccessful applicants that they didn't get the job and not much beyond that.

This is why there is so much discrimination at your job then. With no data and opaque process, I am sure it is bad.

Where have you applied where this is the policy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

You are requesting the right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

But it’s a school, not an apt.

Schools can and do discriminate just like landlords. There was a recent supreme court case about this with colleges. Look it up.

Have you filed a lawsuit? When will we see that at the Supreme Court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

Thanks for the sock puppeting, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

That's what you wrote, idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

That is true in theory, except that private schools receive significant tax exemptions. For example, non-profit organizations also receive tax exemptions, but in return they must publicly disclose data about their operations. Likewise, when you rent an apartment, the landlord cannot reject your application based on opaque reasons, and the applicant has the right to ask for and obtain information. How can anyone be protected against racial discrimination in school admissions if the system remains so opaque?

You have made these same comparisons before in other threads, many people have explained why they are different. You are not learning or convincing anyone else. Why do you persist?

Just because you don't have a good argument or don't agree doesn't mean that OP can't make their points. This is a message board where people are supposed to debate and express their thoughts on things after all. You should try it.

Thanks for the sock puppeting, OP.

More deflection, PP. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter in that it’s a private school that you are applying to that has the right to share however little or much it chooses. They are not receiving any kind of federal funds, so no disclosure requirement.

It would be great if they published data, but they don’t and they won’t. Because their class sizes are so much smaller than even the smallest college, data can be misleading as well.

In a nutshell, they feel like they are doing a good job of building classes. The parents agree enough to keep their kids in the schools. And prospective parents agree enough that most of them have many times the number of applications than they have spots. It’s working for the only constituencies that matter and is unlikely to change.

There are enough private schools to land somewhere. People get upset about being rejected from Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS, Maret, Potomac, and the more competitive schools then want to demand transparency.

Go where your DC is wanted. Forget the rest

I agree with that. I am not requesting the right of admission, but the right of receiving information, by the way.

You don’t have "the right of receiving information"

Correct, which is why I'm requesting it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I guess

That's what you wrote, idiot.

No arguments. Just ad hominem attacks. Proves my point about the private school crowd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Admissions decisions at these schools is much more subjective than many know. The school is attempting to put together a class that satisfies the disparate needs of the interests on campus.

Publishing the data will only make their jobs harder and take the Admissions process in a direction they are not interested in taking.

Yeah, but we deserve to know. Just like how, when you apply to a job, the company sends you the statistics about how many applicants to your position there were, what the race and age of the applicants were, what qualifications were best suited to moving forward in the hiring process, getting to the interview stage, etc. I don't know why private schools get away with being so opaque when everyone else has to be so open.

Why do you think you are entitled to know?

Because landlords have to tell you a lot of information when you apply to get a lease.

But it’s a school, not an apt.

Schools can and do discriminate just like landlords. There was a recent supreme court case about this with colleges. Look it up.

Have you filed a lawsuit? When will we see that at the Supreme Court?

You don't file lawsuits with the Supreme Court. Get a grip