Admission process transparency

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty well accepted that admissions rate to the most competitive schools are between 5% and 20% depending on the entry year. Maret has in their school profile that theirs is 12% across the school - likely higher in the lower school and lower in the upper school.

It's reasonable to extrapolate that St. Albans, GDS, NCS, Potomac and Sidwell are roughly roughly roughly in the same general ballpark.

Now that you know that, has it changed your strategy on applying?


Unfortunately data such as “roughly roughly in the same ballpark” of what is “widely known” is not helpful and is literally just made up guesses


It's worse than that.

The 5% or 10% or 20% are Averages.

That might be useful if all the applicants were equal. But they are not. Some are advantaged and the rates of admission for these applicants is higher than the average. Which means that the rates of admission for those who are not advantaged is lower than the mean percent.

Examples of advantage include siblings, legacies, faculty kids, athletes, academic stars, graduates of "feeder" schools, full pay, kids of the rich and famous, and URMs. The more of these boxes you DC checks, the higher the probability they will be admitted. Admission of these kids isn't automatic, but as a group their rates of admission are higher than average.

The good news for applicants without even one of these advantages is that the number of applicants is:

1. Reported by the Admissions Office which is incented to make the number as high as possible.
2. The result of an energetic campaign to drive up the number of applications through Open Houses, Admissions presentations at feeder schools, and the efforts of alumni, current parents, coaches, and other boosters of the school.

This effort isn't targeted at highly-qualified applicants. The idea is to get as many applications as possible.



Got it. So you’re looking to rationalize why your normal kid didn’t get in to whatever they were rejected from. It must be that kids like him/her (however and whomever he/she is) didn’t stand a chance because of all of the other preferred kids that got in base on connections, race, athleticism, intellectualism or anything else.


Not PP, but I don’t see how anonymized data points on the features that were determinant for the kids admission would be something bad for the school (assuming that admissions were done fairly). Of course if there is an outright bribe or “donation” for admission I can see why a school might prefer to keep things secret.


Are you saying full transparency is the only way to show admissions were done fairly? Can you define “fairly”?Do you think you know enough about running a school to know what is good/bad for the school? What is your experience running a school?





This is what I said : “I don’t see how anonymized data points on the features that were determinant for the kids admission would be something bad for the school”

No need for enhanced interrogation techniques.


And you said

“Of course if there is an outright bribe or “donation” for admission I can see why a school might prefer to keep things secret.”

Seems you don’t like discussing what you said.


I am glad that you can read. However, You can work on asking questions related to the post and not random unrelated questions.


You really don’t like it when someone challenges what you post. Esp when you are directly quoted.



Not really. I was just referring to the questions that are unrelated to the post. So far I haven’t read any logical challenge.
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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty well accepted that admissions rate to the most competitive schools are between 5% and 20% depending on the entry year. Maret has in their school profile that theirs is 12% across the school - likely higher in the lower school and lower in the upper school.

It's reasonable to extrapolate that St. Albans, GDS, NCS, Potomac and Sidwell are roughly roughly roughly in the same general ballpark.

Now that you know that, has it changed your strategy on applying?


Unfortunately data such as “roughly roughly in the same ballpark” of what is “widely known” is not helpful and is literally just made up guesses


It's worse than that.

The 5% or 10% or 20% are Averages.

That might be useful if all the applicants were equal. But they are not. Some are advantaged and the rates of admission for these applicants is higher than the average. Which means that the rates of admission for those who are not advantaged is lower than the mean percent.

Examples of advantage include siblings, legacies, faculty kids, athletes, academic stars, graduates of "feeder" schools, full pay, kids of the rich and famous, and URMs. The more of these boxes you DC checks, the higher the probability they will be admitted. Admission of these kids isn't automatic, but as a group their rates of admission are higher than average.

The good news for applicants without even one of these advantages is that the number of applicants is:

1. Reported by the Admissions Office which is incented to make the number as high as possible.
2. The result of an energetic campaign to drive up the number of applications through Open Houses, Admissions presentations at feeder schools, and the efforts of alumni, current parents, coaches, and other boosters of the school.

This effort isn't targeted at highly-qualified applicants. The idea is to get as many applications as possible.



Got it. So you’re looking to rationalize why your normal kid didn’t get in to whatever they were rejected from. It must be that kids like him/her (however and whomever he/she is) didn’t stand a chance because of all of the other preferred kids that got in base on connections, race, athleticism, intellectualism or anything else.


Not PP, but I don’t see how anonymized data points on the features that were determinant for the kids admission would be something bad for the school (assuming that admissions were done fairly). Of course if there is an outright bribe or “donation” for admission I can see why a school might prefer to keep things secret.


Are you saying full transparency is the only way to show admissions were done fairly? Can you define “fairly”?Do you think you know enough about running a school to know what is good/bad for the school? What is your experience running a school?





This is what I said : “I don’t see how anonymized data points on the features that were determinant for the kids admission would be something bad for the school”

No need for enhanced interrogation techniques.


And you said

“Of course if there is an outright bribe or “donation” for admission I can see why a school might prefer to keep things secret.”

Seems you don’t like discussing what you said.


I am glad that you can read. However, You can work on asking questions related to the post and not random unrelated questions.


You really don’t like it when someone challenges what you post. Esp when you are directly quoted.



Not really. I was just referring to the questions that are unrelated to the post. So far I haven’t read any logical challenge.


Like the question that directly quoted your post? Unless you don’t care to back up what you say. That would explain a lot.

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The OP is a troll, really just stop responding.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The process of apply to HS is not exhausting. Good grief, people have no idea what hardship really entails.


Have you personally gone through this process? Because I have - 3 times- and everyone I know who went through it and I agree that it is indeed exhausting and very time consuming for both the parents and the kids- Not to mention all the stress it puts on a 13-14 year old.
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Anonymous wrote:The OP is a troll, really just stop responding.


You can start with yourself. People are free to share their opinions if they want to.
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