H1B application fees now cost $100k

[Anonymous]

I have worked with very smart H1Bs and not-so-smart H1Bs too. With this decision, we will try to bring jobs back to Americans but will also lose talent. H1Bs pay taxes here at the same rate as the rest of us. We will lose that money.
Will this move make companies outsource projects to offshore locations? If that happens, we will lose money, talent and it won't solve the root problem.
Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have worked with very smart H1Bs and not-so-smart H1Bs too. With this decision, we will try to bring jobs back to Americans but will also lose talent. H1Bs pay taxes here at the same rate as the rest of us. We will lose that money.
Will this move make companies outsource projects to offshore locations? If that happens, we will lose money, talent and it won't solve the root problem.
Time will tell.

There is enough talent here. These companies already have plenty in their home countries so they use coming here as an incentive vs. need. They will just take the jobs to other countries. They like the H1B as the tech and other companies can pay them much less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

They don’t. Accenture pays 200k, Apple 205 on average

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

They don’t. Accenture pays 200k, Apple 205 on average

That's just two companies. The one my spouse works at pays them much less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

They don’t. Accenture pays 200k, Apple 205 on average

200K for what role?

[Anonymous]

Now IT will just move even more overseas

[Anonymous]

Should all support Moreno's bill to tax companies for outsourcing to India.

[Anonymous]

By the way, H1B is not just IT. Doctors and medical professionals use it too. We already have a shortage here and have to wait weeks before getting an appointment.

[Anonymous]

How much was it before?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

More than 70 percent of H-1B visa holders in the 2024 fiscal year were born in India. Those are jobs that Americans should have had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

More than 70 percent of H-1B visa holders in the 2024 fiscal year were born in India. Those are jobs that Americans should have had.

The first sentence is true. Research shows the second sentence is not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s terrible. If you were born American, with all the privileges that comes with that lottery win, and you STILL can’t compete with people who grew up in war zones, or with food/water/medicine shortages, and who aced their SATs/MCATs/GREs in a SECOND, non-native language, what does that say about you?!
We shouldn’t artificially be propping up mediocrity, while brilliant foreigners go to the rest of the developed world and bring their skills and intellect elsewhere.

+1
Work should go to wherever and whomever can do it most efficiently with the most efficient use of resources. We shouldn't be propping up something here. Also, now everyone I know is just going to open subsidiaries or small businesses overseas, likely in Ireland or somewhere with an equally business friendly infrastructure and tax code and hiring incentives. This will all result in a net loss of jobs as well as a dumbing down of our workforce, big hits to housing markets in certain areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

More than 70 percent of H-1B visa holders in the 2024 fiscal year were born in India. Those are jobs that Americans should have had.

They are far better educated and they can pay them less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be fair, companies need less workers today. A lot of people forget this key fact. And further these same workers don't need those H1B visa holders
to be physically present here. These same people can do the work remotely.

If you remove every single H1B workers, companies will simply further accelerate automation and outsource more work.

American students are sadly not going to benefit. The jobs that will be vacated will simply be automated and/or outsourced.

Capitalism does not care about nationalism or patriotism. Capitalism worships $$.

The problem I have with the remote work argument is that it is always cheaper to hire someone in India or the Philippines or wherever.

If they thought the H1B people could do the job just as well overseas they never would have sponsored them from the start.

I mean what’s the current logic behind paying the current H1 fees today and then paying these folks say $100k when you would pay them like $30k back in India? Thats the current discount.

They will just have people stay in India. They use the US as an incentive if people want to move but they still pay them much less here.

More than 70 percent of H-1B visa holders in the 2024 fiscal year were born in India. Those are jobs that Americans should have had.

They are far better educated and they can pay them less.

H1 was meant to address shortage of talent, not to judge who is the better worker.