Healthy school start time

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Anonymous wrote:The most problematic issue seems to be buses, since it's the same bus for elementary, middle, and high school.

Just switch out high school and elementary start times and leave middle as is. Those second and third graders are wired at 6:30 am. Whereas high school students are zombies at that time. Which is totally normal. I think we need to accommodate the natural biorhythms of children and adolescents.

This would be crazy. You don’t have hs students. What would happen is sports and activities would be before school and those before school would be earlier.

They’re optional. School isn’t.

So, you’d rather deny other kids activities and sports so your kids can go to bed later and sleep in as you refuse to parent. If they refuse to go to bed and are tired too bad. They can nap when they get home.

Cram, cut it out. And you would rather deny high school students science backed appropriate sleep times. Shame on you, you old fart, to prioritize your needs over thousands of students.

[Anonymous]

The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Can you imagine, that parent going into their older teen's room to say okay let me tuck you in fluff up your blankets etc etc like we did when they were much younger. Who is that poster? They were on the last bell times thread too and the pretty much the only one against later start times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

Yep!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine, that parent going into their older teen's room to say okay let me tuck you in fluff up your blankets etc etc like we did when they were much younger. Who is that poster? They were on the last bell times thread too and the pretty much the only one against later start times.

A MCPS personnel who does not want to come into Central office later than they do now when they actually come in-person.

[Anonymous]

And it's been looked at, studied, and you've been told NO to moving HS any later already (beyond the 20 minutes its been moved). When my teens do this I tell them to stop badgering me. You're supposedly an adult, so please, move along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most problematic issue seems to be buses, since it's the same bus for elementary, middle, and high school.

Just switch out high school and elementary start times and leave middle as is. Those second and third graders are wired at 6:30 am. Whereas high school students are zombies at that time. Which is totally normal. I think we need to accommodate the natural biorhythms of children and adolescents.

This would be crazy. You don’t have hs students. What would happen is sports and activities would be before school and those before school would be earlier.

They’re optional. School isn’t.

So, you’d rather deny other kids activities and sports so your kids can go to bed later and sleep in as you refuse to parent. If they refuse to go to bed and are tired too bad. They can nap when they get home.

Cram, cut it out. And you would rather deny high school students science backed appropriate sleep times. Shame on you, you old fart, to prioritize your needs over thousands of students.

Only you we complaining. Kids in activities, sports and work would disagree. Why can’t you enforce bed time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. You want the schedule changed as you are a hands off parent. You take the electronics and send them to bed. That’s not science. And, in the real world people get up early. Are you ok with MCPS paying millions to put in more lights in each school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine, that parent going into their older teen's room to say okay let me tuck you in fluff up your blankets etc etc like we did when they were much younger. Who is that poster? They were on the last bell times thread too and the pretty much the only one against later start times.

A MCPS personnel who does not want to come into Central office later than they do now when they actually come in-person.

LOL, Central Office doesn’t follow bell schedules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind that HS students don’t have to take 7 classes a year every year. My kid’s counselor said most 11th and 12th graders are just in the building right before and after lunch for the required math and English classes.

So if a 7:45 start doesn’t work for your kid, take less classes during the school day. Take classes over the summer, online during the school year, and dual enrollment at MC

Arriving later in the day is not allowed. If you request an abbreviated scheduled, counselors will make your 1-2 classes first thing in the day.

A few years ago, a neighbor kid had a unique opportunity for an internship that was 6:30-10:30 AM. He only needed English and one other class to graduate. The high school wouldn’t schedule him for afternoon only classes. His parents appealed because of the opportunity and lost.

It depends on the school. You have to go to Central Office and make a stink. If you plan right starting in MS, your kids should only need math and english for graduation senior year.

They must take them first thing in the morning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The comments about "Oh, no, we can't do this" in 2014 were intense.

The 20-minute push wasn't great, but at least it was a start for the HS & MS kids. It totally sucks for the ES kids, though.

Why?

Can't they swap ES and HS start times?

The 2014 "push everything back 20 minutes" approach resulted in some of the ESs in MCPS starting at 9:35 AM.

As others have said, ES kids are up at the crack of dawn. Ideally, they'd start first and definitely not after 9:30 AM. It also means they dismiss later and some the youngest ones have fallen asleep on the afternoon bus.

No, the school system "can't swap" those start times. MCPS BOE wasn't agreeable to that in 2014.

ES students can have their Specials (art music library p.e. and either academic, foreign language, computer literary or other support time) at the end of the day. That is 45 min of Specials at the end of the day. Can't they start school day at 8am (7:45am if they need breakfast) and end at 3pm with Specials from 2:15 - 3pm? Maybe add in 15 more minutes in the day for recess/non academic time. It's a shame that schools were not creative to create a different type of schedule post pandemic. During virtual learning, the students had blocks and had Wednesday afternoon for academic support extra work time. It's not that hard if people are willing to think and plan to put us in the 21st century. Alas, so many are stuck to the 20th century model.

Do you ever think before you post? An ES has 400-600+ students and usually 1-2 specials teachers for each subject. So, how would that work? Virtual learning is not comparable as teachers did not have enough responsibilities. Want virtual, well pay for it privately or too bad as MCPS cut it.

Back in the day and not in mcps just as an example - a homeroom teacher (who happened to be an English teacher) and knew music, had experience teaching music taught students music during their homeroom block.

That was back in the day. Now the state of MD expects specials teachers to be certified in that area. Elementary Ed degrees don’t cover the arts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. You want the schedule changed as you are a hands off parent. You take the electronics and send them to bed. That’s not science. And, in the real world people get up early. Are you ok with MCPS paying millions to put in more lights in each school?

We know your position isn’t based on science, you don’t have to tell us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. You want the schedule changed as you are a hands off parent. You take the electronics and send them to bed. That’s not science. And, in the real world people get up early. Are you ok with MCPS paying millions to put in more lights in each school?

You should be sent away off of this thread!
"now go up to bed little 6'5" Larlo I have your phone with me safe and sound I need to get to work at the butt of dawn so don't forget to get up milk the cows feed the goats so I can drop you off for you to wait in front of the school in the freezing cold..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. You want the schedule changed as you are a hands off parent. You take the electronics and send them to bed. That’s not science. And, in the real world people get up early. Are you ok with MCPS paying millions to put in more lights in each school?

Agree, it is someone within MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The "put yer kids to bed early!" crowd is so cringe. Congratulations for being an early bird, but the rest of the world is not on your schedule and stop being moral absolutists about it. I'm so sick of the "you're lazy if you're not up at dawn" folks - and I am one of them naturally! It's not laziness! And as the world heats up and makes it harder to be outside during most of the daytime hours, we will shift nocturnal (or earlier) as civilizations have done for centuries. Schools should adapt later start times for adolescent and teen health, the science is clear and the results speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. You want the schedule changed as you are a hands off parent. You take the electronics and send them to bed. That’s not science. And, in the real world people get up early. Are you ok with MCPS paying millions to put in more lights in each school?

We know your position isn’t based on science, you don’t have to tell us.

-DP