NVSL All-stars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do people not understand the profound accomplishment of All Stars? There are thousands of kids in each age group across the league and only the top 18 qualify. This league is one of if not the fastest summer leagues in the USA, so the qualifying swimmers should feel immensely proud of that accomplishment.

It's summer swim, meets are going to be hot. That's part of it.

“Profound accomplishment” is just a bit of an overstatement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people not understand the profound accomplishment of All Stars? There are thousands of kids in each age group across the league and only the top 18 qualify. This league is one of if not the fastest summer leagues in the USA, so the qualifying swimmers should feel immensely proud of that accomplishment.

It's summer swim, meets are going to be hot. That's part of it.

“Profound accomplishment” is just a bit of an overstatement.

+1 - it's not a profound accomplishment. It's a good swimmer with a bit of luck at the right time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

You need help.

- my kid didn’t know about the shallow diving until we arrived.

- what would you have an individual do? Tell me what you think an individual parent can do?

Just like a pool doesn’t step up when there is insufficient parking, Pinecrest should not step up bc of this safety issue. It works fine, until it doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

You need help.

- my kid didn’t know about the shallow diving until we arrived.

- what would you have an individual do? Tell me what you think an individual parent can do?

Just like a pool doesn’t step up when there is insufficient parking, Pinecrest should not step up bc of this safety issue. It works fine, until it doesn’t.

The lack of info on the shallow diving is on your team rep. Our team went to pool familiarization day on Friday and practiced diving/turns in the actual pool in lane 1 (the shallowest lane). Every team was invited to go. We have a lot of All Stars (and did last year as well), and while the pool depth is not ideal, nobody had any problems because they took advantage of pool familiarization day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

You need help.

- my kid didn’t know about the shallow diving until we arrived.

- what would you have an individual do? Tell me what you think an individual parent can do?

Just like a pool doesn’t step up when there is insufficient parking, Pinecrest should not step up bc of this safety issue. It works fine, until it doesn’t.

This is on the NVSL website and was sent to ALL team reps:

There will be swimming allowed in the pool at Pinecrest for Pool Familiarization. Swimmers will have the opportunity to swim some laps, become familiar with the walls and take some starts. Please note that Pinecrest features a shallow depth at the start.

[Anonymous]

You could know or not know about the shallowness, it does not change the fact that it is a safety risk.

[Anonymous]

^^Saying the notice by NVSL that Pinecrest has a shallow diving area will be the diving end for all swimmers is enough to eliminate the safety hazard is ridiculous. You've got massively tall teen boys and inexperienced 8 and under swimmers. As a long time swim family who has been participating in meets year round for 15 years, this is definitely a safety risk and someone could absolutely be injured from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Saying the notice by NVSL that Pinecrest has a shallow diving area will be the diving end for all swimmers is enough to eliminate the safety hazard is ridiculous. You've got massively tall teen boys and inexperienced 8 and under swimmers. As a long time swim family who has been participating in meets year round for 15 years, this is definitely a safety risk and someone could absolutely be injured from it.

Pinecrest has had a swim team at least as far back as 40 years ago. Why is it all the sudden unsafe now? Come on…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could know or not know about the shallowness, it does not change the fact that it is a safety risk.

We had the same discussion last year (Pinecrest also hosted all stars last year). It’s tiresome, really!

[Anonymous]

Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

Because no other pool wanted to host it.

[Anonymous]

How shallow is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people not understand the profound accomplishment of All Stars? There are thousands of kids in each age group across the league and only the top 18 qualify. This league is one of if not the fastest summer leagues in the USA, so the qualifying swimmers should feel immensely proud of that accomplishment.

It's summer swim, meets are going to be hot. That's part of it.

“Profound accomplishment” is just a bit of an overstatement.

Not to mention that you can swim at Divisionals and qualify for All Stars without actually having to participate in it..win all around

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Saying the notice by NVSL that Pinecrest has a shallow diving area will be the diving end for all swimmers is enough to eliminate the safety hazard is ridiculous. You've got massively tall teen boys and inexperienced 8 and under swimmers. As a long time swim family who has been participating in meets year round for 15 years, this is definitely a safety risk and someone could absolutely be injured from it.

Pinecrest has had a swim team at least as far back as 40 years ago. Why is it all the sudden unsafe now? Come on…

+1

It is clearly objectively safe. If anyone has a subjective concern, that’s fine and there is an easy solution — don’t swim. No one has to swim in All-Stars.