HHS to scrap covid recommendations for children, pregnant women as Hong Kong pushes pediatric covid jabs

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the Covid vaccine is absurd. My sibling and parents have all gotten each and every Covid vaccine - and they've all gotten Covid, at least twice a year. What is the point?

I took the initial vaccines when they first came out, but no more. Way too many side effects and it doesn't prevent anyone from getting Covid.

I agree with you on a personal level but to each their own regarding whether or not the Covid vaccine is worthwhile. Government shouldn't be forcing the Covid vaccine on anyone and government shouldn't be creating barriers for anyone who may wish to be vaccinated. Like with most things, less government is better government.

PP here. Yes, I agree with you. But where is the evidence that the government is preventing anyone from taking the Covid vaccine?

The OP of this thread suggested the Dept. of HHS was changing their stance on Covid Vaccines which could possibly lead to barriers for those still seeking updated vaccines. It appears HHS is ending their recommendations of getting updated Covid vaccines which isn't necessarily a barrier. My point was forward looking to may or may not happen.

I don't think government should have any role whatsoever in influencing medical decisions made by individuals for themselves or for their dependents. I advocated for and encouraged the Covid Vaccine in 2021 but I didn't support government mandates of any kind and I don't support government making it more difficult for anyone who wants to remain updated with Covid vaccines to do so.

the only government mandates were for people who worked for the government and military. Please stop with the BS. If your private employer mandated it, you could have quit and gotten a different job. If your kid's school mandated it, you could homeschool. But when living in a society with other people, the public health studies and rules are there to protect, particularly the people who are older, younger or immunocompromised, in this case.

You say that with such conviction, but you are incorrect. The mandate was imposed on the federal government and military personnel AND ANY COMPANY THAT DID BUSINESS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
That meant that 80 million people were subjected to this mandate. So UPS drivers, linemen, people that worked outside and healthy were being forced to get turn over their bodily autonomy to Biden.

This is why the general public aren’t shedding tears for Feds getting RIF’d. Because no one gave a eff when they were cut for refusing a vaccine that neither stopped transmission or prevented disease.

NP. Nope. Biden's EO on 9/29/21 only applied to the executive branch of the US federal government -- not even to the legislative or judicial branch federal employees, much less everyone that worked with them as third party.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/white-house-cdc-fda-niaid-pfizer-and-moderna-employees-are-subject-to-vaccin-idUSL1N2QX1YI/

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^^There was an EO mandating either vaccination or frequent testing for all staff at U.S. private-sector firms with 100 or more employees. The latter was an option, if the private company employee wanted to decline vaccination.

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Anonymous wrote:^^There was an EO mandating either vaccination or frequent testing for all staff at U.S. private-sector firms with 100 or more employees. The latter was an option, if the private company employee wanted to decline vaccination.

Hilariously the text of the Covid EOs have largely been purged from the internet. Its as if they want to claim they didn't do what they actually did.

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Anonymous wrote:^^There was an EO mandating either vaccination or frequent testing for all staff at U.S. private-sector firms with 100 or more employees. The latter was an option, if the private company employee wanted to decline vaccination.

Hilariously the text of the Covid EOs have largely been purged from the internet. Its as if they want to claim they didn't do what they actually did.

"They?"

Trump is the one purging records.

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PS: Also you can still find them in internet archives, if you wanted to be accurate. Doubt you do, but there is always the option.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the Covid vaccine is absurd. My sibling and parents have all gotten each and every Covid vaccine - and they've all gotten Covid, at least twice a year. What is the point?

I took the initial vaccines when they first came out, but no more. Way too many side effects and it doesn't prevent anyone from getting Covid.

I agree with you on a personal level but to each their own regarding whether or not the Covid vaccine is worthwhile. Government shouldn't be forcing the Covid vaccine on anyone and government shouldn't be creating barriers for anyone who may wish to be vaccinated. Like with most things, less government is better government.

PP here. Yes, I agree with you. But where is the evidence that the government is preventing anyone from taking the Covid vaccine?

The OP of this thread suggested the Dept. of HHS was changing their stance on Covid Vaccines which could possibly lead to barriers for those still seeking updated vaccines. It appears HHS is ending their recommendations of getting updated Covid vaccines which isn't necessarily a barrier. My point was forward looking to may or may not happen.

I don't think government should have any role whatsoever in influencing medical decisions made by individuals for themselves or for their dependents. I advocated for and encouraged the Covid Vaccine in 2021 but I didn't support government mandates of any kind and I don't support government making it more difficult for anyone who wants to remain updated with Covid vaccines to do so.

the only government mandates were for people who worked for the government and military. Please stop with the BS. If your private employer mandated it, you could have quit and gotten a different job. If your kid's school mandated it, you could homeschool. But when living in a society with other people, the public health studies and rules are there to protect, particularly the people who are older, younger or immunocompromised, in this case.

You say that with such conviction, but you are incorrect. The mandate was imposed on the federal government and military personnel AND ANY COMPANY THAT DID BUSINESS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
That meant that 80 million people were subjected to this mandate. So UPS drivers, linemen, people that worked outside and healthy were being forced to get turn over their bodily autonomy to Biden.

This is why the general public aren’t shedding tears for Feds getting RIF’d. Because no one gave a eff when they were cut for refusing a vaccine that neither stopped transmission or prevented disease.

There's a pretty massive difference between the minor inconvenience of a SAFE vaccine versus people LOSING THEIR CAREERS.

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Anonymous wrote:It is 2025. The vaccine does not prevent infection, inhibit spreading once infected and may or may not lessen severity. We have effective therapeutics for those that contract COVID. The vaccine has no real value and may have detrimental side effects.

For reasons listed above there is no valid reason to recommend the vaccine.

This is patently untrue. There are numerous studies showing the vaccines reduced the spread, reduced the likelihood of getting infected, and reduced the severity if COVID was still contracted.

Stop making false claims that the vaccines were ineffective.

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So does anyone know of the people who have died of Covid recently, how many of them were vaccinated? And can well tell how many doses they had if they were vaxxed?

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Anonymous wrote:^^There was an EO mandating either vaccination or frequent testing for all staff at U.S. private-sector firms with 100 or more employees. The latter was an option, if the private company employee wanted to decline vaccination.

It was an OSHA safety mandate. Congress could do it with the Interstate Commerce Act.

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Anonymous wrote:While our government will make it more difficult (or impossible?) for a large segment of society to get covid vaccinations, Hong Kong hospitals are advising parents to vaccinate their kids as the hospitals wards are filled with unvaccinated pediatric covid patients. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3310747/hong-kong-children-urged-get-covid-jabs-whole-paediatric-ward-full
Insurance won't pay, that appears clear. But will families still be able to get vaccinations at pharmacies? Will kids be able to get the vaccine at all? https://www.statnews.com/2025/05/15/covid-vaccine-recommendations-rfk-jr-reportedly-reversing-for-children-pregnant-women/

Why are you doing Covid hysteria 5 years later?

Just stop. If you trust The Science™️ you know that the vaccine neither stops transmission nor infection. And children have the least amount of morbidity from the virus.

Gawd this is hysteria.

Covid is over. It's a COLD. There are a zillion cold viruses. The 1919 flu virus is now a cold virus.

Yes, people die of colds. That is a fact.

But you're not going to die of covid if you are healthy. It's no longer a danger. Everyone has had it by now, even if you don't know it.

You've had it. Are you dead?

I have a zillion criticisms of the Trump administration, but this is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is 2025. The vaccine does not prevent infection, inhibit spreading once infected and may or may not lessen severity. We have effective therapeutics for those that contract COVID. The vaccine has no real value and may have detrimental side effects.

For reasons listed above there is no valid reason to recommend the vaccine.

This is patently untrue. There are numerous studies showing the vaccines reduced the spread, reduced the likelihood of getting infected, and reduced the severity if COVID was still contracted.

Stop making false claims that the vaccines were ineffective.

You need to read more carefully.

PP said that it's 2025, not 2021.

The vaccines did their job, but the virus changed. Covid is not lethal as it was back then. The vaccines are not as useful. Sure, get one if it makes you feel better. But very few people (except the really sick or really old) need the covid vaccine now.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It is 2025. The vaccine does not prevent infection, inhibit spreading once infected and may or may not lessen severity. We have effective therapeutics for those that contract COVID. The vaccine has no real value and may have detrimental side effects.

For reasons listed above there is no valid reason to recommend the vaccine.

This is patently untrue. There are numerous studies showing the vaccines reduced the spread, reduced the likelihood of getting infected, and reduced the severity if COVID was still contracted.

Stop making false claims that the vaccines were ineffective.

You need to read more carefully.

PP said that it's 2025, not 2021.

The vaccines did their job, but the virus changed. Covid is not lethal as it was back then. The vaccines are not as useful. Sure, get one if it makes you feel better. But very few people (except the really sick or really old) need the covid vaccine now.

Sounds like some pretty significant moving-of-the-goalposts there. The PP was still trying to sow disinfo.

And, regardless of whether it is 2025 or 2021
And, regardless of whether the current strains are less dangerous, these truths still remain:
- the vaccines reduced the spread
- the vaccines reduced the likelihood of infection
- the vaccines reduced the severity

The disinfo: the claim of "detrimental" effects. Those claims are grossly overblown and distorted. Over 13.6 BILLION doses were administered worldwide, and if there truly were serious issues, given that many doses, the adverse cases would be epidemic and extremely well documented at this point. But, that's not at all the case.

The only thing here I might be inclined to agree with is that it's now less important for people who aren't elderly or immunocompromised etc to get the vaccine but beyond that I'm not interested in hearing debunked, disproven nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:This vaccine should have NEVER been on the list for children. Children are not severely affected by Covid.
Glad they are removing it from the list of recommended vaccines.

https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/articles/long-covid-children-adolescents

Unfortunately, the answer is yes — even young children can have lasting effects from COVID-19. A new study co-led by Mass General Brigham investigators found common patterns of lasting symptoms in school-age children and adolescents who previously were infected by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.
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Using their PASC index, the researchers estimate that in the RECOVER-Pediatrics cohort, 20% of the school-age children who previously had COVID-19 and 14% of the previously infected teenagers most likely had long COVID. These results, along with similar findings from another study published in Pediatrics, indicate that more children may have long COVID than the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported as of 2022.

Stop trying to make long COVID happen. Stop gaslighting people. We all have eyes and see that children aren’t affected by COVID, in any significant numbers.

+1

It takes more than a few years to establish “long” anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think you can use things about the general effectiveness of vaccines to make a point about the Covid vaccine specifically. I do think that parents should have the choice to vaccinate their kids due to COVID because it is a fact that they are at lower risk than elderly populations. That said everything in life has risks including the Covid vaccine. One of my previously healthy siblings developed heart inflammation from the vaccine which is a known but rare side effect. So in their case it probably would have been better to not have gotten it.

And my uncle who was only in his early 60s, died early in the pandemic before he had any chance to get any vaccine. If only he could have gotten it, he could be caring for and playing with his grandchildren today.

Doubt that.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, the Covid vaccine is absurd. My sibling and parents have all gotten each and every Covid vaccine - and they've all gotten Covid, at least twice a year. What is the point?

I took the initial vaccines when they first came out, but no more. Way too many side effects and it doesn't prevent anyone from getting Covid.

So ignorant. Of course vaccines prevent covid. They also lessen severity which is a good thing.

You can’t have to both ways. You are saying that the vaccine prevents Covid, but also reduces severity.

The vaccine does not prevent Covid. At all. Stop spreading lies.

So vaccine suddenly do not work. Who are you people?

Show me the clinical evidence that COVID vaccines give sterilizing immunity, i.e., it stop the transmission and infection of Covid.

Just one example, one study, one data point.

Wishing you luck!