Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

It wants to retain its constitutional rights and continue the research that it has done for decades using federal funds.

Since World War II, virtually all significant research, development, and innovation in the United States has happened in university laboratory settings, with the benefits of the work product accruing to the government under these arrangements. This has benefited the people of the United States tremendously. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved.

Cutting off the funding pretty much guarantees a brain drain to other countries.

Harvard's brains are 90% foreign. Trump is stopping the brain drain from Europe and Asia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good for Harvard. I don't normally root for Harvard, but after the pathetic display of cowardice by Big Law, I will cheer on any institution that fights back against the Republican attack on science, research, and the rule of law. This has nothing to do with DEI or Israel. This is a creeping dictatorship and an assault on everything that made America a bastion for freedom of speech and the pursuit of knowledge. I only wish there were more institutions resisting.

Four law firms have separately sued Trump over his executive orders targeting them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

What nonsense.

Imagine thinking we would continue to fund the “valuable scientific research” at a university that allowed student protestors to shout at black students that they should go back to Africa. It would never happen. Yet Jews were told at Princeton to “go back to Europe” and called “inbred swine.”

Perhaps punish the kids who said that and not the entire university and critical medical research.

+1

Funding scientific research is not contingent on forgoing the exercise of first amendment rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

It wants to retain its constitutional rights and continue the research that it has done for decades using federal funds.

Since World War II, virtually all significant research, development, and innovation in the United States has happened in university laboratory settings, with the benefits of the work product accruing to the government under these arrangements. This has benefited the people of the United States tremendously. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved.

Cutting off the funding pretty much guarantees a brain drain to other countries.

Harvard's brains are 90% foreign. Trump is stopping the brain drain from Europe and Asia.

I'm quite sure that this 90% figure is inaccurate, but in any case, the point is that the results of the research are for the benefit of the American people. Innovation happens in universities. It has been structured this way for a very long time for a very good reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

It wants to retain its constitutional rights and continue the research that it has done for decades using federal funds.

Since World War II, virtually all significant research, development, and innovation in the United States has happened in university laboratory settings, with the benefits of the work product accruing to the government under these arrangements. This has benefited the people of the United States tremendously. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved.

Cutting off the funding pretty much guarantees a brain drain to other countries.

Harvard's brains are 90% foreign. Trump is stopping the brain drain from Europe and Asia.

~82.9% of Harvard University students, including graduate students, come from the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

[Anonymous]

Respect, Harvard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

It wants to retain its constitutional rights and continue the research that it has done for decades using federal funds.

Since World War II, virtually all significant research, development, and innovation in the United States has happened in university laboratory settings, with the benefits of the work product accruing to the government under these arrangements. This has benefited the people of the United States tremendously. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved.

Cutting off the funding pretty much guarantees a brain drain to other countries.

Harvard's brains are 90% foreign. Trump is stopping the brain drain from Europe and Asia.

Harvard, and top American universities overall, draw the best and the brightest from all over the world precisely because our American government has historically funded cutting-edge, expensive research for the sake of knowledge alone, without immediate concern about its commercial applicability. This academic freedom has spurned creativity that ends up benefitting Americans, the American government, the private sector, and the rest of the world. We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these massive cuts in academia purportedly as punishment for allowing antisemitism to run rampant. Guess who's going to lose out in the long run? It's not just the universities, it's all of us, including Jews, who are despite the difficulties post-Oct. 7 still generously represented among faculty and students at elite academic institutions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First they go for the colleges…. You idiots cheering this type of stuff on…they will eventually come for you too. (Unless you are an American billionaire and part of the oligarchy).

Because you say so.

They are actually also going for international students, law firms, and the media.

With good reason.

So you are an authoritarian bootlicker who supports throwing out the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

It wants to retain its constitutional rights and continue the research that it has done for decades using federal funds.

Since World War II, virtually all significant research, development, and innovation in the United States has happened in university laboratory settings, with the benefits of the work product accruing to the government under these arrangements. This has benefited the people of the United States tremendously. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved.

Cutting off the funding pretty much guarantees a brain drain to other countries.

Harvard's brains are 90% foreign. Trump is stopping the brain drain from Europe and Asia.

Harvard, and top American universities overall, draw the best and the brightest from all over the world precisely because our American government has historically funded cutting-edge, expensive research for the sake of knowledge alone, without immediate concern about its commercial applicability. This academic freedom has spurned creativity that ends up benefitting Americans, the American government, the private sector, and the rest of the world. We are shooting ourselves in the foot with these massive cuts in academia purportedly as punishment for allowing antisemitism to run rampant. Guess who's going to lose out in the long run? It's not just the universities, it's all of us, including Jews, who are despite the difficulties post-Oct. 7 still generously represented among faculty and students at elite academic institutions.

The massive cuts predated these demands regarding protests and DEI. The first cuts came from the NSF and the NIH, as a general matter.

My DC had planned to go to graduate school this fall in STEM, but is now finding that many PhD programs are forgoing taking any candidates at all this year, or taking only a few, because of these cuts. DC and others like her will need to go abroad to be educated. It's a loss for everyone involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

[Anonymous]

As he has said in the past, he “loves the uneducated”……what better way to make America dumb again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

Define "other side"? Do you mean Palestinians or do you mean Hamas?