DOJ Memo on DEI including in Universities

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

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He’s at Ivy, thanks. It is such a stupid thing. And, yes, he took it in a funny, creative way because this trauma sh@t and holistic stuff has gotten so out of hand—and I voted for Harris. I’m not even a conservative.

So what’s the problem. Your kid used the prompt to talk about himself authentically. And got in. Why is that a problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

Different poster.

Defund the police is not a specific example enough? Some examples:

Asking for a DEI statement as a screening tool for grant approval?

San Francisco and Illinois have proposed policies to provide reparations to Black residents for past racial injustices.

LA and SF implemented policies of not prosecuting crimes such as shoplifting or drug possession.

Changes to admissions policies of high schools due to DEI.

Hiring Chief Equity Officers, a whole bunch of equity officers and renaming of schools.

[Anonymous]

43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools will likey not offer majors like women’s studies and gender studies anymore.

They’ve been teaching that for more than 30 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

Wrong. Propaganda is why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

Different poster.

Defund the police is not a specific example enough? Some examples:

Asking for a DEI statement as a screening tool for grant approval?

San Francisco and Illinois have proposed policies to provide reparations to Black residents for past racial injustices.

LA and SF implemented policies of not prosecuting crimes such as shoplifting or drug possession.

Changes to admissions policies of high schools due to DEI.

Hiring Chief Equity Officers, a whole bunch of equity officers and renaming of schools.

Defund the police is a completely different topic than Dei. I think you imagine “black people” are a dei concept.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

Wrong. Propaganda is why.

Everyone is fooled by propaganda except you and people who agree with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

Different poster.

Defund the police is not a specific example enough? Some examples:

Asking for a DEI statement as a screening tool for grant approval?

San Francisco and Illinois have proposed policies to provide reparations to Black residents for past racial injustices.

LA and SF implemented policies of not prosecuting crimes such as shoplifting or drug possession.

Changes to admissions policies of high schools due to DEI.

Hiring Chief Equity Officers, a whole bunch of equity officers and renaming of schools.

Defund the police is a completely different topic than Dei. I think you imagine “black people” are a dei concept.

PP has like eight examples. Way to cherry pick one and ignore the others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I was just looking up academic positions at our local university and part of the application packet, in addition to CV, publications, professional references, is your DEI statement. WTH?

You know just because you can cure cancer, does not make you a good candidate. A top notch DEI statement is a must have.

Seriously.

“Just do science! Screw this DEI crap!”
*goes to hospital and receives terrible impersonal experience*
“Our healthcare system sucks! The doctor didn’t listen to me at all, and I had to go through 4 different appointments for something I didn’t have!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

Different poster.

Defund the police is not a specific example enough? Some examples:

Asking for a DEI statement as a screening tool for grant approval?

San Francisco and Illinois have proposed policies to provide reparations to Black residents for past racial injustices.

LA and SF implemented policies of not prosecuting crimes such as shoplifting or drug possession.

Changes to admissions policies of high schools due to DEI.

Hiring Chief Equity Officers, a whole bunch of equity officers and renaming of schools.

Defund the police is a completely different topic than Dei. I think you imagine “black people” are a dei concept.

PP has like eight examples. Way to cherry pick one and ignore the others.

People tend to point out bad examples when they have nothing to do with a topic. That’s just not what cherry picking means or is.

[Anonymous]

Can the mod lock this post? It has nothing to do with college/university. The politics forum already exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

Wrong. Propaganda is why.

Everyone is fooled by propaganda except you and people who agree with you.

Objectively, Republicans lie.

It’s indisputable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will likey not offer majors like women’s studies and gender studies anymore.

They’ve been teaching that for more than 30 years.

Yeah, those disciplines have been around since the 70s. If those go away we’ll have way bigger problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

Wrong. Propaganda is why.

Everyone is fooled by propaganda except you and people who agree with you.

Objectively, Republicans lie.

It’s indisputable.

Objectively, politicians lie.

It's indisputable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:43% of Hispanics voted for Trump.

39% of Asians voted for Trump.

16% of Blacks voted for Trump.

DEI is a big part of it.

Wrong. Propaganda is why.

Everyone is fooled by propaganda except you and people who agree with you.

Objectively, Republicans lie.

It’s indisputable.

Objectively, politicians lie.

It's indisputable.

There are orders of magnitude difference between Rs and Ds. You can't bOtH SiDeS this.

Republicans lie, constantly. Documented fact.