DOJ Memo on DEI including in Universities

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure Asian Americans don't need your propaganda and fear mongering. They're aware how they've been treated and can decide accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. I was just looking up academic positions at our local university and part of the application packet, in addition to CV, publications, professional references, is your DEI statement. WTH?

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Unreal that they were ever allowed to get away with this nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I was just looking up academic positions at our local university and part of the application packet, in addition to CV, publications, professional references, is your DEI statement. WTH?

You know just because you can cure cancer, does not make you a good candidate. A top notch DEI statement is a must have.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

You mean in addition to Columbia's "Wheel of Oppression" and the infamous Duke Med School example?

Sure.

How 'bout this one at my alma mater? A course focusing on "radical feminist biology". Male students not allowed to enroll in class without prior permission of the professor and, even if they are allowed to enroll, are not allowed to speak in the class.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

What nonsense. I knew plenty of white people who majored in Afro-American Studies in college. The departments don't turn people away.

“Plenty of white people who majored in Afro-American studies”? No you don’t. Spare us all.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

My kid does not. No hardship story at least. She's lived a normal MC life so far w/o tragedy - as did I and most other kids from my HS back in the dark ages when I was applying to college. The problem is now the expectation that these 17 year olds are all crazy super human stand outs just to get into a strong non-Ivy.

The AOs say they don’t want trauma. They want to know who your kid is. They could write about being white MC. Seriously. If they can be introspective that is all they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

Of course they do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

You mean in addition to Columbia's "Wheel of Oppression" and the infamous Duke Med School example?

Sure.

How 'bout this one at my alma mater? A course focusing on "radical feminist biology". Male students not allowed to enroll in class without prior permission of the professor and, even if they are allowed to enroll, are not allowed to speak in the class.

Why not name your Alma mater? This would definitely be a news story on campus. That’s not a small accusation, that’s outright discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

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He’s at Ivy, thanks. It is such a stupid thing. And, yes, he took it in a funny, creative way because this trauma sh@t and holistic stuff has gotten so out of hand—and I voted for Harris. I’m not even a conservative.

So…there was no issue and you wanted to make one out of a situation where your DS ended up on top?

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will likey not offer majors like women’s studies and gender studies anymore.

Why not?

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Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

My kid does not. No hardship story at least. She's lived a normal MC life so far w/o tragedy - as did I and most other kids from my HS back in the dark ages when I was applying to college. The problem is now the expectation that these 17 year olds are all crazy super human stand outs just to get into a strong non-Ivy.

The AOs say they don’t want trauma. They want to know who your kid is. They could write about being white MC. Seriously. If they can be introspective that is all they want.

+1 who are these people who think you are supposed to write about trauma? None of my kids did that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how Republicans win Asian support for a generation.

Asians that are getting deported???

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will likey not offer majors like women’s studies and gender studies anymore.

That was a major in 1990. What decade do they want to take us back to?

Seems like 1870

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Anonymous wrote:Schools will likey not offer majors like women’s studies and gender studies anymore.

That was a major in 1990. What decade do they want to take us back to?

Seems like 1870

Seriously. Most of the programs DS has applied to have scrubbed any mention of “underrepresented identies.” The dei programs still exist but their names are completely different and purpose completely generalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. I was just looking up academic positions at our local university and part of the application packet, in addition to CV, publications, professional references, is your DEI statement. WTH?

You know just because you can cure cancer, does not make you a good candidate. A top notch DEI statement is a must have.

Well now you don’t have funding to cure cancer. So maybe a DEi statement is all we can go on.