DOJ Memo on DEI including in Universities

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

My kid is currently in college and he can sign up for any class he wants, there is no restrictions outside of a select handful reserved for major only students (i.e. an upper level finance class). He can 100% sign up for every diversity class he wants to and he's a white male. At his university those majors don't even require entry courses to switch into the major, just a form to be filled out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Because they have/had disadvantages and/or are discriminated against due to their race, gender, or disabilities. This is really elementary level logic. Are you just trying rationalize discrimination or do you not understand this?

Discrimination should stop. End of story.

Wow, thank you! You solved it! That's it folks, you saw it here, the answer we've all been struggling to find! Discrimination should stop. I'm sure just stating that is enough to completely undo the entire system and all of the ripple effects it has on our society today. We definitely don't need anything more than that. Thank you for your service. We're all fixed now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

[Anonymous]

This is how Republicans win Asian support for a generation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how Republicans win Asian support for a generation.

Very short sighted. Asians don’t look like white men. They are kidding themselves if they do not realize they will be next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

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He’s at Ivy, thanks. It is such a stupid thing. And, yes, he took it in a funny, creative way because this trauma sh@t and holistic stuff has gotten so out of hand—and I voted for Harris. I’m not even a conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is how Republicans win Asian support for a generation.

Very short sighted. Asians don’t look like white men. They are kidding themselves if they do not realize they will be next.

They already are. They’re cutting any type of study related to Asians?
And what’s next? Saying there are too many Asians in the stem departments so we need to have a minimum number of white people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

My kid does not. No hardship story at least. She's lived a normal MC life so far w/o tragedy - as did I and most other kids from my HS back in the dark ages when I was applying to college. The problem is now the expectation that these 17 year olds are all crazy super human stand outs just to get into a strong non-Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how Republicans win Asian support for a generation.

Aggrieved incel Asian American men? Perhaps.

The rest? Nope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

What nonsense. I knew plenty of white people who majored in Afro-American Studies in college. The departments don't turn people away.

same here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think DOJ should be in the business of telling universities what is and is not worthy of studying.

If it implies racial or gender discrimination, they have every right to stop it, which is exactly the reason of the memo.

How does diversity, equity, and inclusion imply racial or gender discrimination?

Because they provide opportunities only to certain groups of people that are not based on merit. Why are they entitled to such privileges?

Can’t you be a white male and study “ethnic studies”? Or “race, ethnicity and migration”?

These kids of majors don’t seem exclusionary?

I'm not a white male, but I don't think they would accept white males or non URM people for such studies, thus a discrimination.

You think white men can't sign up for an African studies class? WTF?

Whereas black students actually were excluded from most all-white colleges for hundreds of years, and women actually were excluded from most all-male colleges for hundreds of years, and Western Civ is still a core class in most history departments but African Civ is not, etc etc.

DP.

Agree that PP's post was ridiculous (I say this as a WM who took classes in African literature).

That said, DEI supporters here are being a bit disingenuous. Many prominent DEI programs/initiatives have been guilty of pretty gross excesses, and virtually all suffer from a lack of coherent, productive philosophy.

As usual, the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Equal opportunity and diversity are noble goals (eff you Republicans for attempting to destroy these) but proponents of DEI went way off the rails in their tactics (looking at you, Columbia "Wheel of Oppression" and Duke Med School).

Reminds me of "Defund the Police". Policing needed major reform, but the "solutions" proposed by the left were idiotic.

Can you provide examples instead of generalizations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see the DOJ suing private universities for promoting “lived experiences”

It's the right thing to do. They better do it!

Thats silly. Lived experience is what contributes to who we are. For example, a student demonstrating grit by overcoming homelessness or poverty is a lived experience. Why should that not be shared? Because that might give them a boost over student from a wealthy family in a private high school with well funded research opportunities and test prep? Please...

They can incorporate that into any essay or supplemental. These lived experience ones have become the mandatory essays and they are pretty stupid. These kids are 18. 90% of them haven’t “lived” yet.

Your kid truly has no lived experience to discuss? It’s not that hard to find something to write about. A little creativity would help.

My kid does not. No hardship story at least. She's lived a normal MC life so far w/o tragedy - as did I and most other kids from my HS back in the dark ages when I was applying to college. The problem is now the expectation that these 17 year olds are all crazy super human stand outs just to get into a strong non-Ivy.

Lived experience doesn’t mean tragedy. It means having something interesting about yourself that makes you unique and shows you have something to say. If one doesn’t have the maturity to reflect and analyze, they won’t make it far.