TJ's Maligned Class of 2025 Produces MORE Regeneron Top 300s and ANOTHER Finalist
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Anonymous
What is your skin in the game? What a stupid fkn argument. |
Anonymous
DP I have had kids at TJ in the past and now. I have mixed feelings on this. There is a much larger population of obviously struggling kids than in the past. This is based on observations of past and present students. This has definitely reduced stress ad given the most talented kids the bandwidth to do more things beyond just struggling to maintain a competitive GPA. Your GPA will still suffer at TJ but the most competitive kids will be able to maintain A's a lot easier than in the past. I think this has given a lot of kids the bandwidth to do more things (like regeneron). They could simulate this dynamic by adopting a grading policy that ore closely approximates the GPA these students would get at a base school. Some magnet high schools do this by bumping anyone that gets a 5 on the AP exam to an A, so teachers start to calibrate their grades to a 5 on the AP exam, maybe even a 4. We will soon see how the class of 2025 did GPA wise and SAT wise and where they went to college so all this arguing is really just like arguing about who is going to win this year's superbowl. We're all going to know soon enough. |
Anonymous
DP? Sockpuppet! No. Grade inflation from certain bottom base school shouldn't be brought into TJ. Admissions need to be rigorous, then gimmicks wont be necessary. |
Anonymous
You can literally ask the site admin and they will tell you if there is sock puppetry going on. |
Anonymous
Yeah, that's not a sockpuppet. They're responding to me. I would agree that the population of struggling students is larger, but I wouldn't call it *much* larger. I will say that the new crop of students is much less adept at hiding their struggles - that's where you see a concrete difference. In the old TJ, you would see a ton of kids getting outside help because they were advanced beyond their talent level, especially in math. The extra tutoring required to keep up appearances frequently prevented them from fully engaging with extracurriculars, which of course depressed their college outcomes. You'll see a little dip overall with the 2025s I think in terms of GPA and SAT because they'll be hit the most from return from Covid and they won't have the benefits of the years of experience the staff has with the new admissions process. It'll likely trend upward from here with the following classes. |
Anonymous
| GPA and SAT don't matter so much. Asians at TJ with high stats are getting rejected and URMs are getting accepted with lower stats. This why the new administration is investigating the colleges. |
Anonymous
#fakenews |
Anonymous
In what way is the class is 2025 hit harder by COVID than the class of 2024? It the class of 2026? You're already making excuses for their performance. So whether you armor it of not, you don't believe that the current selection method is any good at selecting for merit either. TJ is not the only school that experienced COVID. Why aren't we seeing these sort of plummeting scores at schools like Stuyvesant? |
Anonymous
Stuyvesant has a test-based admissions process, which is quite different from TJ, which takes a more holistic approach that considers personal factors, ethnic diversity, and middle school quotas. When it comes to COVID, its impact has been felt differently in Northern Virginia compared to the area where Stuyvesant is located, allowing the already merit evaluated Stuy students to manage academics more efficiently than TJ class, which is diversified in all ways including academics. For a apples to apples comparison, it’s best to compare Stuyvesant as a whole to the top quarter of TJ, which would represent the most academically focused students. |
Anonymous
I get that. I'm saying that the drop you see in academic performance isn't from covid, its from the change in admissions policy. |
Anonymous
+1 PP is full of sht. |
Anonymous
If you want to keep denying issues then you are going to keep ending up with his like trump in the white house. These are serious problems and you can't just wish them away or try and gaslight people into thinking they don't exist. |
Anonymous
If they are so serious, show your work. It shouldn’t be that hard if it’s some devastating massive-scale problem. |
Anonymous
A drop in standardized exam scores can absolutely be attributed to the change in admissions process because the new process no longer overselects for test taking ability. That’s neither news nor illustrative of anything meaningful. If a baseball team had a minimum speed requirement for a dozen years and then all of a sudden stopped having one, you would expect their average team speed to decline - but they might win more games because while speed is a nice thing to have in baseball, it certainly isn’t everything. So I’d challenge you to cite where “academic performance” is materially impacted by the new process in a way that can be distinguished from COVID-related impact. |
Anonymous
I don't know where this notion that test taking ability is some narrow measure of cognitive ability. There is no special "test taking ability" divorced from cognitive ability These tests roughly measure cognitive ability. Cognitive ability is a combination of talent and effort. This notion that some people are good at tests and others are not is just another way of saying smart people are good at tests and dumb people are not. That is pretty much what 100 years of science and data tell us. There is more evidence for the validity of testing than there is for global warming. We know this as much as we know anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_Cr1a6rj4 |