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Eight Top 300 finalists this year as opposed to seven last year. But I thought that the new admissions process was leaving top talent behind?

No other FCPS school produced a top 300 finalist this year...[/quote] TJ will soon be back at #1.[/quote]
No. There were more SOL failures in 2022-23 than the year prior, so the next ranking may well be lower.[/quote]

Jeez, now we're maligning the class of 2025?[/quote]

I mean the class of 2026.

Honestly I think the student body is improving.  I don't know if they are easing off the "experience factors" or if students are self selecting themselves into the applicant pool better this year.[/quote]
Improving? SOLs are worse, Ranking fell from 1st to 14th[/quote]

False. TJ was #5 before moving to #14. 
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Of course, #1 to #5, and now #14, the downward trend is clear.  This year is expected to be even worse, which is why FCPS is taking proactive steps by announcing admin level changes.[/quote]

#5 was using data from before the admissions change.

No trend. 
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People are also fond of forgetting that TJ’s USNWR ranking was frequently in the teens under Dr. Glazer and returned to #1 for several consecutive years under Dr. Bonitatibus.

But that’s inconvenient to the narrative so 💤[/quote]

Not exactly but she did bring the rankings up to 1 for a couple of years.

2015 #3
2016 #5
2017 #6
2018 #6
2019 #10
2020 #4
2021 #1
2022 #1
2023 #5
2024 #14 
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Glazer took over as principal in 2007 and witnessed the lowest rating in the school’s history. #20 in I believe 2012 or 13.[/quote]

That was after the last time they tried to achieve "diversity" at TJ.[/quote]
Yes. In TJ’s history, there have been three attempts to implement race-based admissions. Each time, rankings dropped, and students resisted being used as test subjects for political agendas. Why should students with the lowest math readiness spend five to six hours after school struggling, only to end up with Cs and Ds? Enduring four years of hardship just to fulfill a diversity quota is unsustainable.

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Literal nonsense. Every word of this is fabricated.[/quote]

I know of 2 attempts, I didn't know about the third.  They have always gone back to merit after the quality of graduates degraded but we'll have to see if sanity will prevail in times like these.  Sanity seems to be experiencing a headwind.[/quote]

What is the other successful attempt at improving equity at TJ that you claim to “know of”? [/quote]
Loading bottom 100+ seats in a class with the lowest-level Algebra 1 students and having them struggle year after year, even in basic courses, is not equity. It's exploiting students for political purposes. Unsustainable, as proven multiple times in the past.[/quote]

It’s so funny… literally the only people who think that TJ is somehow on the decline are the folks who just can’t get past losing out on the admissions process.

It’s not a thing that any reputable outlet is actually reporting on at all. It’s just an increasingly detached group of anonymous keyboard warriors parroting the nonsense that Asra Nomani pukes up in a pathetic attempt to remain relevant.[/quote]

I have had kids at TJ in the past and now.

I have mixed feelings on this.
There is a much larger population of obviously struggling kids than in the past.  This is based on observations of past and present students.
This has definitely reduced stress ad given the most talented kids the bandwidth to do more things beyond just struggling to maintain a competitive GPA.

Your GPA will still suffer at TJ but the most competitive kids will be able to maintain A's a lot easier than in the past.
I think this has given a lot of kids the bandwidth to do more things (like regeneron).

They could simulate this dynamic by adopting a grading policy that ore closely approximates the GPA these students would get at a base school.
Some magnet high schools do this by bumping anyone that gets a 5 on the AP exam to an A, so teachers start to calibrate their grades to a 5 on the AP exam, maybe even a 4.

We will soon see how the class of 2025 did GPA wise and SAT wise and where they went to college so all this arguing is really just like arguing about who is going to win this year's superbowl.  We're all going to know soon enough.[/quote]
DP? Sockpuppet!

No. Grade inflation from certain bottom base school shouldn't be brought into TJ.  Admissions need to be rigorous, then gimmicks wont be necessary.  [/quote]

Yeah, that's not a sockpuppet. They're responding to me.

I would agree that the population of struggling students is larger, but I wouldn't call it *much* larger. I will say that the new crop of students is much less adept at hiding their struggles - that's where you see a concrete difference. In the old TJ, you would see a ton of kids getting outside help because they were advanced beyond their talent level, especially in math. The extra tutoring required to keep up appearances frequently prevented them from fully engaging with extracurriculars, which of course depressed their college outcomes.

You'll see a little dip overall with the 2025s I think in terms of GPA and SAT because they'll be hit the most from return from Covid and they won't have the benefits of the years of experience the staff has with the new admissions process. It'll likely trend upward from here with the following classes.[/quote]

In what way is the class is 2025 hit harder by COVID than the class of 2024?  It the class of 2026?  You're already making excuses for their performance.  So whether you armor it of not, you don't believe that the current selection method is any good at selecting for merit either.

TJ is not the only school that experienced COVID.  Why aren't we seeing these sort of plummeting scores at schools like Stuyvesant?[/quote]
Stuyvesant has a test-based admissions process, which is quite different from TJ, which takes a more holistic approach that considers personal factors, ethnic diversity, and middle school quotas. When it comes to COVID, its impact has been felt differently in Northern Virginia compared to the area where Stuyvesant is located, allowing the already merit evaluated Stuy students to manage academics more efficiently than TJ class, which is diversified in all ways including academics. For a apples to apples comparison, it’s best to compare Stuyvesant as a whole to the top quarter of TJ, which would represent the most academically focused students.
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