California bill would give public university admission priority to slaves' descendants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like this idea better than reparations. It’s actually beneficial to the economy.

Even as a conservative skeptic of these sorts of liberal plans, I have to agree with you.

[Anonymous]

According to the family tree put together by my weird middle-aged, unemployed cousin at his home computer from data sources called "Google" - I'm a descendent of Pochohantas.

Bring on the scholarships!!! I have proof. My kids actually have a hook.

[Anonymous]

I have an ancestor from the Caribbean who had a slave mother and plantation owner father. The father had no other kids and then the son went on to inherit the land and marry a white wonan. Family was white ever since. And yet, I could prove slavery in my genealogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like this idea better than reparations. It’s actually beneficial to the economy.

How so? Slots will be filled regardless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the family tree put together by my weird middle-aged, unemployed cousin at his home computer from data sources called "Google" - I'm a descendent of Pochohantas.

Bring on the scholarships!!! I have proof. My kids actually have a hook.

You don't have proof. Documents (US census, military pension, or other government records, birth/death/marriage certificates, wills and contemporaneous records) are proof. Anyone who claims any ancestry prior to 1900 (slave, native American, immigrant story) without checking the records...and a family tree without each step supported by documents is not itself a "record"...is just playing the child's game of telephone with about the same level of reliability.

I actually received a half scholarship for college based on my ethnic heritage, and we had to show the paperwork all the way back to the boat. If you want to claim any benefit to being Native American, you need to provide your tribal enrollment number for a federally recognized tribe and they will check it they same way they verify your status for in-state tuition. CA will surely do the same for this benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just suppose… that every single African American high school senior in California claimed to be a descendent of slaves and then had “priority” (which doesn’t mean guaranteed admission) in their application. African Americans are 6% of California’s population.
About 28% of African Americans over age 25 have a four year degree. So let’s say this giant prioritizing increases that to 50% (unlikely anytime soon) in the next generation. That means a whopping 3% of students in the Cal state systems might be African American. If they are able to remain for four years( hard with economic challenges and some will come from poorer high schools).
Mercy!
Tiny price for reparations. Probably would turn out to do a lot of good… social and economic. If it passes, it will have far less effect on the people fearing this than they think.

This x10000. I am so sick of hyper competitive white and Asian people freaking out that Junior didn’t get a spot he must be entitled to get. Junior will be perfectly fine.

It’s entitled to think that a lazy and incompetent kid needs a back door to get something they didn’t earn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the family tree put together by my weird middle-aged, unemployed cousin at his home computer from data sources called "Google" - I'm a descendent of Pochohantas.

Bring on the scholarships!!! I have proof. My kids actually have a hook.

You don't have proof. Documents (US census, military pension, or other government records, birth/death/marriage certificates, wills and contemporaneous records) are proof. Anyone who claims any ancestry prior to 1900 (slave, native American, immigrant story) without checking the records...and a family tree without each step supported by documents is not itself a "record"...is just playing the child's game of telephone with about the same level of reliability.

I actually received a half scholarship for college based on my ethnic heritage, and we had to show the paperwork all the way back to the boat. If you want to claim any benefit to being Native American, you need to provide your tribal enrollment number for a federally recognized tribe and they will check it they same way they verify your status for in-state tuition. CA will surely do the same for this benefit.

NP You don't think this is messed up? Anyone abandoned at birth, product of rape...Will not be able to prove this. I have that issue in my own tree. Tribal enrollment is really controversial too because rules vary so much and can exclude/not exclude people. Not to mention that a white wealthy person can have plenty of clear proof of slave ancestry which sort of defeats the entire point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just suppose… that every single African American high school senior in California claimed to be a descendent of slaves and then had “priority” (which doesn’t mean guaranteed admission) in their application. African Americans are 6% of California’s population.
About 28% of African Americans over age 25 have a four year degree. So let’s say this giant prioritizing increases that to 50% (unlikely anytime soon) in the next generation. That means a whopping 3% of students in the Cal state systems might be African American. If they are able to remain for four years( hard with economic challenges and some will come from poorer high schools).
Mercy!
Tiny price for reparations. Probably would turn out to do a lot of good… social and economic. If it passes, it will have far less effect on the people fearing this than they think.

This x10000. I am so sick of hyper competitive white and Asian people freaking out that Junior didn’t get a spot he must be entitled to get. Junior will be perfectly fine.

It’s entitled to think that a lazy and incompetent kid needs a back door to get something they didn’t earn.

Of course they’re entitled when stealing from others is glorified in the name of diversity. Look at what happens in states like CA where looting is not a crime and encouraged. It’s hard not to be entitled if I had the same privilege and didn’t need to actually earn anything.

[Anonymous]

Sure all those slave descendants gonna fill up Larlo's full pay slot. Tough.
If you want to loot and feel discrimination because you are not allowed, Cal is better off without kids you raised.

[Anonymous]

I think folks forget that while UCLA and Berkeley and a couple of others are very well considered, there's a lot of public CA universities which have high acceptance rates, Merced, Riverside, most of the Cal States (except San Luis Obispo)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the family tree put together by my weird middle-aged, unemployed cousin at his home computer from data sources called "Google" - I'm a descendent of Pochohantas.

Bring on the scholarships!!! I have proof. My kids actually have a hook.

You don't have proof. Documents (US census, military pension, or other government records, birth/death/marriage certificates, wills and contemporaneous records) are proof. Anyone who claims any ancestry prior to 1900 (slave, native American, immigrant story) without checking the records...and a family tree without each step supported by documents is not itself a "record"...is just playing the child's game of telephone with about the same level of reliability.

I actually received a half scholarship for college based on my ethnic heritage, and we had to show the paperwork all the way back to the boat. If you want to claim any benefit to being Native American, you need to provide your tribal enrollment number for a federally recognized tribe and they will check it they same way they verify your status for in-state tuition. CA will surely do the same for this benefit.

NP You don't think this is messed up? Anyone abandoned at birth, product of rape...Will not be able to prove this. I have that issue in my own tree. Tribal enrollment is really controversial too because rules vary so much and can exclude/not exclude people. Not to mention that a white wealthy person can have plenty of clear proof of slave ancestry which sort of defeats the entire point.

If you were abandoned at birth or the product of rape you would even not know any family history from that part of your family so how is that any different from anyone without that family history? You don't know what you don't know.

Tribal enrollment should not be controversial, the rules vary by tribe/nation because each one is sovereign and can decide who to include/exclude, like every other sovereign nation on earth. The US, Ireland, and Canada all have different rules about who can be a citizen; so do all of the tribes.

A white wealthy person can have plenty of clear proof of slave ancestry, but its not going to be a common problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

If all 4 of your grandparents were black and born in the USA, it is extremely likely that you are ADOS.

[Anonymous]

Weren't the California slaves all asians, mostly Chinese and Japanese?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weren't the California slaves all asians, mostly Chinese and Japanese?

Yes, but this is nothing but a continuation of the identify politics that failed on national stage, where one race will be given even more privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weren't the California slaves all asians, mostly Chinese and Japanese?

Yes, but this is nothing but a continuation of the identify politics that failed on national stage, where one race will be given even more privilege.

Yes, white people elected a known racist at the national level in an effort to maintain white supremacy, but majority-minority states like California will continue to do what they want at the state level. History marches forward.