California bill would give public university admission priority to slaves' descendants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

If you watch Prof. Henry Louis Gates on PBS --- it can be done -- it is just hard. Many property records in counties listed slaves. You would have to go back to that. Census might as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

[Anonymous]

Georgetown has been doing this since 2016. Requires genealogical information.

https://www.georgetown.edu/slavery/descendants/#admissions-information-for-descendants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

Sure, and the reason I can't intimately understand it is because my half-white ancestor (the product of rape, in case that wasn't obvious) didn't wallow in his trauma. Others could learn from his determination.

[Anonymous]

My first thought was that to be successful, CA needs to invest in K-12 education in historically underserved communities. Simply offering admission to a student whose K-12 has not prepared them for college work is not helping. It's just a showy gesture that does nothing.

[Anonymous]

Sharing the below to give some idea about why this would be hard to really implement.

One line of my (Asian) ancestors were part of a very harsh debt peonage in California.

Entire families lived for decades in conditions that were forced even after it was federally banned in 1867. It was the Wild West, but the government that did exist in CA supported and enforced it. The birth and death records were maintained by the companies and there is one scholar who has found evidence that babies of their workers/slaves were listed as assets by the Central Pacific Railroad Company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

Sure, and the reason I can't intimately understand it is because my half-white ancestor (the product of rape, in case that wasn't obvious) didn't wallow in his trauma. Others could learn from his determination.

Did you read his diary? How do you know this? I have a lot of genealogical information on my ancestors from the 19th century, but I have very little idea of what any thought about their day-to-day lives because I've never read their diaries, letters, or anything else first-hand. They could have been saints or they could have been sinners, I have no clue.

Just because someone lived to old age, had a successful career, raised a family, etc. does not mean they didn't "wallow in trauma"--ask anyone who is the child of an alcoholic WWII or Vietnam vet, for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

Sure, and the reason I can't intimately understand it is because my half-white ancestor (the product of rape, in case that wasn't obvious) didn't wallow in his trauma. Others could learn from his determination.

Did you read his diary? How do you know this? I have a lot of genealogical information on my ancestors from the 19th century, but I have very little idea of what any thought about their day-to-day lives because I've never read their diaries, letters, or anything else first-hand. They could have been saints or they could have been sinners, I have no clue.

Just because someone lived to old age, had a successful career, raised a family, etc. does not mean they didn't "wallow in trauma"--ask anyone who is the child of an alcoholic WWII or Vietnam vet, for example.

We know he took of advantage of his ability to pass, ran multiple businesses, married, and had children. Trauma may have affected, but that's not wallowing by any definition.

[Anonymous]

I like the idea. I think reparations should be paid via education or no interest home loans. But how does one prove they are descendent ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

Sure, and the reason I can't intimately understand it is because my half-white ancestor (the product of rape, in case that wasn't obvious) didn't wallow in his trauma. Others could learn from his determination.

Did you read his diary? How do you know this? I have a lot of genealogical information on my ancestors from the 19th century, but I have very little idea of what any thought about their day-to-day lives because I've never read their diaries, letters, or anything else first-hand. They could have been saints or they could have been sinners, I have no clue.

Just because someone lived to old age, had a successful career, raised a family, etc. does not mean they didn't "wallow in trauma"--ask anyone who is the child of an alcoholic WWII or Vietnam vet, for example.

We know he took of advantage of his ability to pass, ran multiple businesses, married, and had children. Trauma may have affected, but that's not wallowing by any definition.

That's not the definition of whether one wallows in difficulty. Look at someone like Robin Williams: rich, successful, loved, employed, etc., but clearly was wallowing. Your definition of wallowing is not a good one.

[Anonymous]

California never had slavery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to improve the public schools first.

The UC and Cal State systems are the best in the country.

I think they mean SCHOOLS as in ES, MS and HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California never had slavery.

Except for criminal prisoners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:California never had slavery.

Slaves built the missions. How did you not know this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

First, I’m sorry your family experienced slavery. I do believe in generational trauma and the reverberation through the years.

I hope a follow up question isn’t insensitive. But, assuming bad records by the plantation, how would one prove this? It just seems like only a tiny sliver of impacted descendants could actually prove this history makes the bill unworkable.

Why would you assume trauma? Its just an interesting family history is all - and proves this bill is moronic, since I'm white.

?? It is a generational trauma for a majority of generational black American families.

Sure, and the reason I can't intimately understand it is because my half-white ancestor (the product of rape, in case that wasn't obvious) didn't wallow in his trauma. Others could learn from his determination.

Did you read his diary? How do you know this? I have a lot of genealogical information on my ancestors from the 19th century, but I have very little idea of what any thought about their day-to-day lives because I've never read their diaries, letters, or anything else first-hand. They could have been saints or they could have been sinners, I have no clue.

Just because someone lived to old age, had a successful career, raised a family, etc. does not mean they didn't "wallow in trauma"--ask anyone who is the child of an alcoholic WWII or Vietnam vet, for example.

We know he took of advantage of his ability to pass, ran multiple businesses, married, and had children. Trauma may have affected, but that's not wallowing by any definition.

That's not the definition of whether one wallows in difficulty. Look at someone like Robin Williams: rich, successful, loved, employed, etc., but clearly was wallowing. Your definition of wallowing is not a good one.

It's a great definition when you're talking about wallowing in trauma and demanding reparations for it.