California bill would give public university admission priority to slaves' descendants

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

What's the percentage that will qualify? I'm 1% Nigerian according to 23 and Me, and FamilySearch says that 1% is from an ancestor who lived in the early 1800s. I'm white and my family is white as far as anyone could tell to look at. Would I qualify? Would my kids? Would my grandkids? Are we going to go with a blood quantum?

My husband has 1% Nigerian DNA. His mother's family is from the south. Yet I've found no Black ancestors and I've researched his genealogy very extensively. This percentage is more likely from Europe. Also, it may change. I had 2% Jewish DNA listed but now I have none. Unless you know you have a Black ancestor, I doubt you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the country's discrimination against others:

Japanese Americans
Jews
the Chinese
The LGBTQIA
Hispanics
Muslims

Literally that would be 99% of the country that ag some point faced discrimination. Slavery was a uniquely protracted and harmful thing - very different than the discrimination most other ways of immigrants experienced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the country's discrimination against others:

Japanese Americans
Jews
the Chinese
The LGBTQIA
Hispanics
Muslims

Literally that would be 99% of the country that ag some point faced discrimination. Slavery was a uniquely protracted and harmful thing - very different than the discrimination most other ways of immigrants experienced.

Yes, but there are a lot of white descendants of slaves at this point. Not sure how that discrimination (which was horrific and harmful as you say) of their ancestors then should mean priority now over groups currently experiencing discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

What's the percentage that will qualify? I'm 1% Nigerian according to 23 and Me, and FamilySearch says that 1% is from an ancestor who lived in the early 1800s. I'm white and my family is white as far as anyone could tell to look at. Would I qualify? Would my kids? Would my grandkids? Are we going to go with a blood quantum?

I am demonstrably 1 percent Somalian.

I am very excited to confer this advantage to my kid when they apply to Berkeley and UCLA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the country's discrimination against others:

Japanese Americans
Jews
the Chinese
The LGBTQIA
Hispanics
Muslims

Literally that would be 99% of the country that ag some point faced discrimination. Slavery was a uniquely protracted and harmful thing - very different than the discrimination most other ways of immigrants experienced.

Yes, but there are a lot of white descendants of slaves at this point. Not sure how that discrimination (which was horrific and harmful as you say) of their ancestors then should mean priority now over groups currently experiencing discrimination.

Because the benefit goes towards another act. No one is denying other forms of discrimination. There is just one that is historically known as so terrible that there should be some reparations for the acts that did occur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would someone prove eligibility?

Robust genealogy research? Three of my ancestors were slaves - depending on how open the owner was about sleeping with his slaves, it's pretty easy to prove.

What's the percentage that will qualify? I'm 1% Nigerian according to 23 and Me, and FamilySearch says that 1% is from an ancestor who lived in the early 1800s. I'm white and my family is white as far as anyone could tell to look at. Would I qualify? Would my kids? Would my grandkids? Are we going to go with a blood quantum?

I am demonstrably 1 percent Somalian.

I am very excited to confer this advantage to my kid when they apply to Berkeley and UCLA.

You would need to have records that that 1% Somalian had to do with the American slave trade though. Not sure what is making this so difficult to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just suppose… that every single African American high school senior in California claimed to be a descendent of slaves and then had “priority” (which doesn’t mean guaranteed admission) in their application. African Americans are 6% of California’s population.
About 28% of African Americans over age 25 have a four year degree. So let’s say this giant prioritizing increases that to 50% (unlikely anytime soon) in the next generation. That means a whopping 3% of students in the Cal state systems might be African American. If they are able to remain for four years( hard with economic challenges and some will come from poorer high schools).
Mercy!
Tiny price for reparations. Probably would turn out to do a lot of good… social and economic. If it passes, it will have far less effect on the people fearing this than they think.

Good news. CSU has 4% black population, so no need for the bill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish this would pass. Descendants of American chattel slavery deserve all the blessings and more. It’s time.

Even the white ones?

Yes. Justifying slavery with “white people experienced it too” is so ridiculous. Slavery should not have occurred and people need to get over everything being a white person issue.

My point was that many "Descendants of American chattel slavery" are white. Do they deserve priority admission?

Sure but you would need to prove your ancestry. Certainly if reparations happen, this will come into play. I don't see the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the country's discrimination against others:

Japanese Americans
Jews
the Chinese
The LGBTQIA
Hispanics
Muslims

Literally that would be 99% of the country that ag some point faced discrimination. Slavery was a uniquely protracted and harmful thing - very different than the discrimination most other ways of immigrants experienced.

Yes, and slavery was a step above discrimination: slaves bought and sold as property being the biggest distinction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this would pass. Descendants of American chattel slavery deserve all the blessings and more. It’s time.

Even the white ones?

Yes. Justifying slavery with “white people experienced it too” is so ridiculous. Slavery should not have occurred and people need to get over everything being a white person issue.

My point was that many "Descendants of American chattel slavery" are white. Do they deserve priority admission?

Sure but you would need to prove your ancestry. Certainly if reparations happen, this will come into play. I don't see the issue.

I can prove my ancestry. I also think this is silly, since my children have not suffered.

[Anonymous]

California used to have FREE college for all until governor Reagan got his hands on it. You only had to have one year residency to qualify- can you imagine that today? Choose your state leaders wisely!

[Anonymous]

By the same logic, the only people who should pay/be punished for such a reparation are the slave owner's descendants. Why would anyone else be liable for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A California lawmaker said he will introduce a bill Monday that would give admission priority to the descendants of slaves at the University of California and California State University, two of the largest public university systems in the nation.

Assemblymember Isaac Bryan, a Democrat who represents parts of Los Angeles, told The Associated Press he will introduce the bill as lawmakers meet in the Capitol to swear in new members for a new legislative session.

Republican opponents of campus diversity programs say they are discriminatory and promote left-wing ideology. Trump has hinted at potential legislation to fine universities over diversity initiatives.

At the same time, legacy admissions, long seen as a perk for the white and wealthy at selective colleges, have come under fire in recent years following the Supreme Court's ruling against affirmative action. By banning affirmative action but allowing legacy preferences, which favor the children of alumni and donors, critics say the court left admissions even more lopsided against students of color.

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-bill-slavery-descendants-admission/63072449

Better than giving it to ALDCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the same logic, the only people who should pay/be punished for such a reparation are the slave owner's descendants. Why would anyone else be liable for this?

Everyone in the US now benefits from the fact that slavery and Jim Crow existed, just like everyone in the US now benefits from the fact that Native Americans were pushed west and then onto reservations and then those were broken up. The economic and political power and stability of this country in 2024 would not exist without those things having happened. The United States—the same, ongoing country/government we have—a democracy, by the way—did those things. They are in our founding documents which we still refer to. It doesn’t matter who owned who, as citizens of the US we all own this country and its history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the same logic, the only people who should pay/be punished for such a reparation are the slave owner's descendants. Why would anyone else be liable for this?

Everyone in the US now benefits from the fact that slavery and Jim Crow existed, just like everyone in the US now benefits from the fact that Native Americans were pushed west and then onto reservations and then those were broken up. The economic and political power and stability of this country in 2024 would not exist without those things having happened. The United States—the same, ongoing country/government we have—a democracy, by the way—did those things. They are in our founding documents which we still refer to. It doesn’t matter who owned who, as citizens of the US we all own this country and its history.

That's false. You have to prove it.