Conclave film - excellent

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Anonymous wrote:Very meh.

Don’t get what the big deal about this movie is. There wasn’t much intrigue. I won’t spoil for others who haven’t seen it. I’m Catholic, so I know that clergy are no more holy or infallible than anyone else. To me it was more like a work of nonfiction. lol

It was way better than the majority of popular US movies out in the Fall and even now - so many marvel/ super hero/ horror flick/ dystopian future/ hyper violent fare on offer.

Ralph F and Isabella R were splendid. The filming was creative and personalities well honed.

I was raised Catholic and am also well aware that the pontiffs are very human. However the drama and calculating intrigue under the pious exteriors captured our attention the whole way through - with no pointless blood letting .. the preposterous ending eas hilarious and nice light relief.

But that preposterous ending was already done decades ago in a movie called Mona Lisa. Although as a Catholic feminist, it was one of the few points of the movie I actually liked, because it was a very subversive statement. The fact that so many think the movie "got off track" at the point or was "hilarious" as you stated is sexist.

I left Catholicism due to feminist beliefs. It is outrageous that old men in the Vatican get to decide on reproductive policies for women . Are they going to raise all these babies born to poor women who often can’t take care of the kids they have already? Catholicism may be on wane in the West but remains very strong in many African and Latin American countries. Wake me up when they welcome female pontiffs to the Vatican table.

If we don't remain to agitate, things won't change. If we don't remain, they win by default. Leaving it to those of us who remain isn't a solution.

Like many, I converted to a Protestant mainstream church that allows women and gays to become church ministers and doesn’t poke its nose in women’s private reproductive decisions.

It wasn’t just about that though: it was also the Catholic child abuse situation. I did not want my children raised in a church where there were not strong safeguards to protect them from predators.

However, I have a lot of respect for many aspects of the Catholic Church (such as Catholic Relief Services, Jesuit spiritual practices and intellectual rigor, running many schools and hospitals ithat serve the poor n developing countries, and remarkable scientific contributions to Western science over hundreds of years.

The Catholics have some of the strongest protections now.

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Anonymous wrote:Conclave starring Ralph Fiennes and a very strong cast is excellent (although the musical score was a bit jarring). This time I’m siding with critics over less enthusiastic audience reviews

Critics Consensus
Carrying off papal pulp with immaculate execution and career-highlight work from Ralph Fiennes, Conclave is a godsend for audiences who crave intelligent entertainment

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/conclave

Agree but I guessed the ending.

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Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

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The new pope's brothers both mentioned the film in their TV interviews, which was interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Agree. Especially since the Catholic Church bans the surgery he was contemplating so the church itself would never have sent him to the clinic.

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Well … they just elected a pope that nobody thought was in the running, so that checks out. Remember that the plot involved and event that literally shook up the deliberations to make the pope’s background more relevant.

As for the twist I thought it was eye-rolling too, but it also tickled me because it is exactly the kind of thought experiment that Catholic theologians could have a ball over. The only thing that I thought was missing was actually more delving into that aspect - they could have had the Ralph Fiennes character doing some research into it. Also the twist really added to the Ralph Fiennes character’s journey (which is what the movie is really about) - he could have tanked the elected pope and then probably have been elected himself but he did not. The twist was another piece of evidence for him that the Holy Spirit is mysterious and omnipresent. Remember that he was having a crisis of faith.

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Agree. Especially since the Catholic Church bans the surgery he was contemplating so the church itself would never have sent him to the clinic.

I don’t think the Catholic Church “bans” the surgery in that context although the pope’s rational was very Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Agree. Especially since the Catholic Church bans the surgery he was contemplating so the church itself would never have sent him to the clinic.

I don’t think the Catholic Church “bans” the surgery in that context although the pope’s rational was very Catholic.

Yes, people report the ending wrong. He wasn't trans, he was intersex.

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SPOILER ALERT

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Agree. Especially since the Catholic Church bans the surgery he was contemplating so the church itself would never have sent him to the clinic.

I don’t think the Catholic Church “bans” the surgery in that context although the pope’s rational was very Catholic.

Yes, people report the ending wrong. He wasn't trans, he was intersex.

Yes that is correct. And his decision to leave his body as God created it (instead of getting a surgery that would make his career more secure) was another piece of evidence for the Ralph Fiennes character about accepting God’s will.

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The ending was stupid and sensationalist.

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Anonymous wrote:The ending was stupid and sensationalist.

But not the middle? lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Watched this last night - that ending totally ruined what was an amazing film!!! We were audibly booing at our TV.

I understand that it was supposed to represent a test of faith, but it was completely beyond my ability to suspend disbelief for the purposes of artistic license. It was already a crazy stretch that they would elect such a random dude to the papacy. The film should’ve ended there.

Agree. Especially since the Catholic Church bans the surgery he was contemplating so the church itself would never have sent him to the clinic.

I don’t think the Catholic Church “bans” the surgery in that context although the pope’s rational was very Catholic.

Yes, people report the ending wrong. He wasn't trans, he was intersex.

Yes that is correct. And his decision to leave his body as God created it (instead of getting a surgery that would make his career more secure) was another piece of evidence for the Ralph Fiennes character about accepting God’s will.

Exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:Conclave starring Ralph Fiennes and a very strong cast is excellent (although the musical score was a bit jarring). This time I’m siding with critics over less enthusiastic audience reviews

Critics Consensus
Carrying off papal pulp with immaculate execution and career-highlight work from Ralph Fiennes, Conclave is a godsend for audiences who crave intelligent entertainment

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/conclave

Agree but I guessed the ending by mid movie.

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I assume there are intersex priests so that would lead to an assumption there have been intersex bishops, cardinals, and maybe even a Pope or 2.

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To me the most unrealistic part was the bombing then they just went back to normal.